Intergalactic Summit

Your ignorance - legitimate or feigned - is very entertaining.

First of all... The various Caldari nations and corporations on Caldari prime founded the Federation along with all the other original founding-nations. All colonies and habitats started by any of these founder-nations were registered and brought under the aegis of the Federation upon creation.

Everyone except a good number of colonies later started by the Caldari mega-corporations - apparently they were special and could break this accord as they saw fit - and then profit freely from undocumented settlements under no legislation or tax or anything, really. But, being Caldari, this was entirely fair, was it not? The eventual discovery of these unregistered colonies caused an uproar, and instead of seeing these colonies be registered and brought under the Federation's aegis the Caldari megas decided to aim for separation from the Union they themselves helped create, instead of abiding by laws everyone else followed. Apparently they were to special to bother following those either, especially not when their power and profit-margins were in danger. Add in a large, unhealthy dose of Gallente ultra-nationalism, a tense political and social situation and a rapidly destabilizing situation on Caldari Prime and then some Caldari ultra-nationals acting as terrorists, and you had yourself the start of a nasty, 100 year long war...

...a war that, secondly, many Caldari will consider to have been lost to them with the annexation of their Homeworld. It was a war they started, and one that ended in a draw, by the way. As Katran Luftschreck would say: Boo hoo, ho ho ho, to bad.

That war ended a good while ago by the way, and is pretty grim history by now, my comment that you quoted was in regards to the recent war started not to long ago. By a Caldari State invading us because they preferred to have a war. How nice to see history repeat itself, except this time they can't blame a genocidal terrorist group with a hard-on for mass-drownings.

Thirdly, your people are the last who should open their mouths about people disappearing, and especially not in any kind of defense of the State, a State that has seen fit to, among other things, poison our children by selling them a "delicacy" that is in fact refined excrements, expel hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people from their glorious State for having the wrong genetics - and rob them of everything but the clothes on their back while they were at it - or out-right kidnapping men, women and children from the very transports leaving their space. They wanted them out of the State, but not all were allowed to even leave - as they were ordered. Fancy that. Years later, have we heard what happened to all those people? Not really. I guess we can all guess their condition at this point however.

Oh and, fourth - it appears my grasp of history is far tighter than yours. Try again, pilot.

Sigh. Here we go again.



You'll find that history is quite clear about the fact that the Caldari only helped in the founding of the Federation because circumstances demanded it. You'll also find that this was greatly to the benefit of the Gallente, not the Caldari.



Ah, now who's feigning ignorance? In case you've forgotten the "hidden colonies" being referenced here were placed outside of Federal space because the Federation had been steadily decreasing Caldari "freedoms" and representation in the government.

"It is rather strange that the good of the many seems to constantly coincide with whatever policies weaken the Caldari, the Intaki, and the Mannar and keep them under the heel of the Gallente."

- Caldari Senator Kiriusu Otenga, Senate session 23154/T3782. CE 23154.11.21

If you're going to use history as a weapon, at least use it accurately.

• The Gallente benefited more by the Federal expansion and progression than the Caldari
• When the Federation was formed, the Caldari were forced to join by circumstance more than desire

"Slowly but surely we are betraying the legacy left to us, the children of the Raata. The light of the Caldari spirit grows ever darker under the encroaching shadow of our would-be masters. Our very identity as a people is being subsumed by the Federation and we must act to preserve it."

- Excerpt from a National Address, delivered by Kalaakiota CEO Matias Sobaseki. CE 23154.6.26


• The First Gallente-Caldari War started because the Caldari seceded from the Federation, the Caldari blockaded all stargates that were built by the Caldari megacorporations
• The Federation entered into a delegation to try and find a way to pursue a peaceful resolution
• An extremist, terrorist group then bombed Nouvelle Rouvenoir, claiming more than half a million lives
• In retaliation, the Federation began a sustained, orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime
• Outnumbered, the Caldari engaged in a month-long guerilla campaign to distract the Federal Navy long enough to evacuate Caldari Prime
• Bitterness over the loss of Caldari Prime fueled the war for another 80 years and continued to be a wedge between peace

Wrong. Again. The war was started by a series of events capitalized upon by one man: Tibus Heth. After the Malkalen Disaster, Heth announced he was taking over Kaalakiota Corporation after its CEO resigned, he then issued a nationwide quarantine of Gallente - which you reference (albeit out of context). Using political clout and the recent events, Heth maneuvered himself into power by convincing the Megacorporations to grant strategic control over their production and military lines to Heth in the wake of what would likely become another war with the Gallente. (Ishukone wished to be excluded but the vaccum of leadership left by the Malkalen Incident forced it to comply). With this power at his disposal, Heth then issued a military draft and, in tandem with the Minmatar Rebellion and the destruction of CONCORD's Yulai station, invaded Gallente sovereign space to recapture Caldari Prime, an event that received mixed sentiments from the Caldari Megacorporations.

All of that aside, we have all done things during times of frustration, hostility and emotional turmoil that history does not look kindly upon. The State, the Federation, the Empire and even the Republic have dark spots on our histories that we'd rather not recall. Pointing fingers at each other and justifying further dark spots is counter productive and foolhardy.



Not exactly. Your grasp of political handwaving and casting history in a light favorable to your argument is quite strong but that doesn't do you much credit. History is objective, not partial, use it objectively.

"Sigh. Here we go again."

Indeed pilot Khross. This is how I feel every single time someone makes out-right false statements regarding my homeland - dissapointed. You will find however that neither mine, nor your statements are false in this matter, and that in responce to pilot Luftschreck's one-sided and highly biased claims I re-buffed her claims with knows facts.

Unfortunately I was not completely politically correct by spending hours embellishing on the details about all factors involved, I did not feel the need to do so - it was not relevant to my counter-arguments. If it makes you more comfortable with my statements however, I will point out the accuracy of my own and your claims here.



You are right, the early Federation was politically slanted in favor of the Gallente Prime nations and membership in the Union for others were not equal as a result of this. And this does not invalidate my claims - the Federation WAS founded jointly with the Caldari from the beginning, regardless of circumstances. The Caldari megas violated agreements they had made. This is still a fact, regardless of their reasons for doing so.



I do not recall exactly when these colonies were first settled, so I do not know if they were around before the Union's founding. Regardless, the fact I pointed out remains, yet again - these colonies did not fall under Federation oversight and as such the Caldari megas benefited greatly from having no oversight, control or tax on their assets of any kind.

They lied. They concealed the truth. And in their opinion they were justified in doing so. But they still did. Neither of our statements are innaccurate.



The first war started at point 3 - there were no live war and no shots had been fired outside of civil unrest and localized conflict on Caldari Prime, among the various ethnic groups on the planet. The newly-formed State and the Federation they had seceded from, had not officially fought each other until after the people of Nouvelle Rouvenoir died. This event brough the Federation into deep turmoil, enabled the New Year Coup, and allowed the U-nats into power, silencing all pro-peaceful-resolution voices. The U-nats then launched the one-day bombardment of Caldari Prime, killing hundreds of thousands, and anyone in the Union disgusted with this who treatened to seceded in turn if these actions did not stop, were soon forced to comply.

Side-note: I find it interesting to note how the Caldari mega's secession after annexing Caldari Prime from their various native Nations nearly destroyed the Federation in it's infancy, and today the actions of the State once again influence the Federation's darkest aspects. It sadly ironic how your State is the bane of our way of life in so many ways, but I think this is a topic for another day.

Our word has never once changed throughout this prolonged engagement.

Hakkin k'len. We Return.

I deeply apologize for the confusion that the subtleties of our culture often cause. If it is any consolation, your culture holds for me just as many points of mystery. Let this shared mystery be an opportunity to learn and grow together.

You upheld this one promise, this one oath...

...by breaking how many other promises and oaths?

The terrible take-away here is that the Caldari State is not worthy of any trust because you will violate any agreement the moment it does not benefit you, and that you feel fine making agreements that you have full intention of breaking at a later date.

You promised you would be back. Reasonable enough. Did that promise have to entail violence? Did there have to be a whole new war waged for that promise to be held? Why did so many have to die, and so much be destroyed, subverted, or twisted to the near-unreqognizable, for you to fulfill that oath?



I aim to be as accurate as able in my comments and arguments. I will apologize if proven wrong, I will not argue for something I know is not correct, and at the same time I can rarely stand to let clearly incorrect or out-right false claims remain unchallenged, I will try to correct mis-understandings when they occur. And I will never apologize for my opinions.

If you argue or converse with me, keep this in mind.

One day of war achieved more than a hundred years of peaceful dialogue.

Thank you for agreeing with my point.
Personally I wouldn't count that as an achievement, but if you're that bitter, you're welcome.

...said the Caldari lady, in accordance with her sense of dignity.

You're a clever one, Captain.

And the Caldari eventually acted like the Galois in the Galois restaurant.