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Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
#1 - 2013-02-20 10:53:34 UTC
See the Titans article.

First: Will we be seeing any artwork or visual featuring of this most Golden of Gold ships anytime soon, or any updated equivalent featuring the Iapetan titans that the factions retain in their navies?

Second: Is there any possibility we can get more specific breakdowns on comparisons between the Iapetans and our common-stock Prometheans besides bigger, better, and more expensive?

And less-serious, please drop Solteuer all over the Leviathan above C. Prime when you get around to that spot of TEA, thanks

SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2013-02-20 11:34:06 UTC
The reference to the Iapetan Titans was written basically to clear up a continuity error. There aren't currently any plans to represent them in game, though the Solteuer was in game at one point before the current Titans were implemented.

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Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
#3 - 2013-02-20 12:28:01 UTC
The answer is depressing where it informs, equally where it does not. Oh well.

SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2013-02-20 14:42:48 UTC
Just because there aren't plans now doesn't mean there won't be in the future. They can be assumed to still exist in the Empire navies, as that was the intent when the article was written. Though depicting them in game requires a lot of resources for something that, currently, would just serve as rarely art pieces. Game design would have to come up with a reason to put "bigger, better, badder" Titans in the game.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#5 - 2013-02-20 15:24:17 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Just because there aren't plans now doesn't mean there won't be in the future. They can be assumed to still exist in the Empire navies, as that was the intent when the article was written. Though depicting them in game requires a lot of resources for something that, currently, would just serve as rarely art pieces. Game design would have to come up with a reason to put "bigger, better, badder" Titans in the game.


Well the game is currently saturated with Titans in nul. An event could have an Iapetan Titan from say, the Federation, dropped onto the C. Prime Leviathan. If it's destroyed, it drops a BPO or BPC. Caldari counter with their own I.T. Similar events could occur for the Amarr and Caldari.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-20 15:28:47 UTC
you really want the CalPrime titan dead, don't you?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#7 - 2013-02-20 15:46:05 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
you really want the CalPrime titan dead, don't you?


I want something big and exciting to happen for Anslo's big reveal dammit.

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Saul Elsyn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-20 19:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Saul Elsyn
CCP Eterne wrote:
Just because there aren't plans now doesn't mean there won't be in the future. They can be assumed to still exist in the Empire navies, as that was the intent when the article was written. Though depicting them in game requires a lot of resources for something that, currently, would just serve as rarely art pieces. Game design would have to come up with a reason to put "bigger, better, badder" Titans in the game.


Well, you could always spawn one as a 'boss' for taking a system in faction warfare. Make it orbit the infrastructure hub perhaps?

EDIT: Wait... there may be another reason to do it... didn't the Serpentis make off with a Solveteur at some point? Does that mean they have or are developing their own Titan class? That'd be pretty useful if they ever decided to expand incursions to include the other NPC factions.
Anslo
Scope Works
#9 - 2013-02-20 20:26:56 UTC
Saul Elsyn wrote:
didn't the Serpentis make off with a Solveteur at some point? Does that mean they have or are developing their own Titan class? That'd be pretty useful if they ever decided to expand incursions to include the other NPC factions.


The Solteur Titan scared the crap out of me tbh. That thing looked so...alien. Like a ship from Aliens, an Engineer ship...no windows..no...natural curves..alienish green just....eff man.

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Saul Elsyn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-21 00:31:04 UTC
Speaking of Titans... has anyone counted up the number of Avatar-class ships that were at Jamyl's coronation ceremony?

Sure there may only be only a few of the older Iapetan titans, but there are probably many more of the smaller Promethean Titans under the control of the faction fleets then the capsuleers have fielded, and I would not be surprised if the various pirate factions are hard at work developing their own variants, because if we everyday capsuleers have gotten hold of them, those vast organizations have certainly gotten hold of them as well.

Wasn't there some screenshot of a fleet that Sansha had in a wormhole that included something like five titans?
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#11 - 2013-02-21 01:33:32 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Just because there aren't plans now doesn't mean there won't be in the future. They can be assumed to still exist in the Empire navies, as that was the intent when the article was written. Though depicting them in game requires a lot of resources for something that, currently, would just serve as rarely art pieces. Game design would have to come up with a reason to put "bigger, better, badder" Titans in the game.


Enamored as I am with the herald of Man's End... er, Equilibrium, these ships should remain mysterious and apart. In gaming, once something has stats, it becomes yesterday's raid tier.
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
#12 - 2013-02-21 01:37:12 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Just because there aren't plans now doesn't mean there won't be in the future. They can be assumed to still exist in the Empire navies, as that was the intent when the article was written. Though depicting them in game requires a lot of resources for something that, currently, would just serve as rarely art pieces. Game design would have to come up with a reason to put "bigger, better, badder" Titans in the game.

I think you're misunderstanding the original query. I'm not interested in them being implemented in-game, for players, in any sense. I'm only interested in the possibility of visual imagery featuring the Iapetans (particularly the ES), and of a secondary interest, specifics on their comparison to the Promethean versions. (for example, names of all four instead of just the two would be a nice starting point)

But since there are no existing entries besides the Soltueur in the event video and the image of the Imud Hubrau, I suppose I'll just go buy my own art on the rest.

SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin
Saul Elsyn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-02-23 20:16:42 UTC
It does bring up some interesting thoughts to me regarding the use of Titans in EVE... I mean, NPC deployment of them could certainly be used for various causes (faction warfare, incursions, and special events). Even when we're just talking about the NPC corporations there's a lot of titans out there.

Amarr Unknown-class Iapetan Titans:
Production: 3 (1 in Khanid Kingdom Possession)

Amarr Avatar-class Promethean Titans:
Production: At least 35 by the Amarr Empire (35 are visible in Empress Jamyl's Coronation ceremony)

Caldari Unknown-class Iapetan Titans:
Production: Unknown, likely roughly equal to the Gallente Navy.

Caldari Leviathan-class Promethean Titans:
Production: At least 1 by the Caldari Navy (Deployed over Caldari Prime)

Gallente Solveteur-class Iapetan Titans:
Production: 6 (1 in Serpentis Possession)

Gallente Erberus-class Promethean Titans:
Production: At least 1 by the Gallente Federation (Deployment visible in Quantum Rise)

Minmatar Unknown-class Iapetan Titans:
Production: Unknown (likely very few)

Minmatar Ragnarok-class Promethean Titans:
Production: Unknown (At least two have been destroyed in fleet engagements)
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#14 - 2013-02-23 21:02:31 UTC
Saul Elsyn wrote:

Gallente Erberus-class Promethean Titans:
Production: At least 1 by the Gallente Federation (Deployment visible in Quantum Rise)


The Gallente sent some number of titan/motherships out of the cluster a year or so ago on a colonization mission. Kind of a cool development, particularly if anything might come of it.
Saul Elsyn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-23 21:53:45 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Saul Elsyn wrote:

Gallente Erberus-class Promethean Titans:
Production: At least 1 by the Gallente Federation (Deployment visible in Quantum Rise)


The Gallente sent some number of titan/motherships out of the cluster a year or so ago on a colonization mission. Kind of a cool development, particularly if anything might come of it.

That is quite cool... I wonder if they were the old Solveutur-class ships that were decommissioned or something, as I get the impression that the Iapetan Titans are larger then the Prometheans.

It does suggest that the empires own quite a few ships of the Titan and Mothership class if they can afford to send them off on a colonial mission while a war is going on...
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2013-02-23 22:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Iapetans are indeed supposed to be larger than Promethean titans. Iapetan titans are the ones described as needing the resources of an entire moon to be built and disrupting the tides of a planet.

By the way, you can thank Delegate Zero for the names for the classes of titans, which I think are pretty great names.

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Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#17 - 2013-02-24 03:21:25 UTC
Saul Elsyn wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
The Gallente sent some number of titan/motherships out of the cluster a year or so ago on a colonization mission. Kind of a cool development, particularly if anything might come of it.

That is quite cool... I wonder if they were the old Solveutur-class ships that were decommissioned or something, as I get the impression that the Iapetan Titans are larger then the Prometheans.

It does suggest that the empires own quite a few ships of the Titan and Mothership class if they can afford to send them off on a colonial mission while a war is going on...


Took a bit of poking around, but here is the story:

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1506843
Saul Elsyn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-02-24 04:47:41 UTC
Wow that's even more mind boggling for the Federation... They built from scratch 5 titan sized ships for this while fighting a low-grade war with the Caldari State and occasional skirmishes with the Amarr Empire. Suddenly I'm thinking of the newer Macross series for those worldships. XD

My hat's off to the Gallente Federation for going that far... I'd guess they'd be jumpbridge equipped at least to allow their escort fleet to keep up with them. Plus a Nyx for the escort's flagship... I wonder how much of the Gallente Federation's Budget went into that?

Gallente Ouranos-class Worldship
Production: 5 (Ouranos Frontier Fleet)

As for the Iapetan sized Titans... I suppose it's possible that if they're say 4 times the size of the Promethean Titan they'd be what 64 times the mass (mass advances by the ^3 of the length) and easily have 10 times the power generation and heat dissipation capability? In which case their doomsday device may well be firing once a minute or less... Even at only 2 times the size of the Promethean Titans it'd be 8 times the mass and probably have almost that much increase in power generation.

Ouch, yeah that should never get into the player population's hands... Now I would love to see a FW event involving them... Perhaps during an escalation of the war or something. A ship like that is probably the equivalent of an entire fleet of capsuleer ships in terms of firepower.

And it would never go anywhere by its lonesome. Hell they probably have Promethean Titans assigned to their support fleet. That's... that's just scary to think about.
CCP Falcon
#19 - 2013-02-24 12:59:21 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Saul Elsyn wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
The Gallente sent some number of titan/motherships out of the cluster a year or so ago on a colonization mission. Kind of a cool development, particularly if anything might come of it.

That is quite cool... I wonder if they were the old Solveutur-class ships that were decommissioned or something, as I get the impression that the Iapetan Titans are larger then the Prometheans.

It does suggest that the empires own quite a few ships of the Titan and Mothership class if they can afford to send them off on a colonial mission while a war is going on...


Took a bit of poking around, but here is the story:

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1506843


For reference, that post and the story behind it is player written, rather than by CCP. At the time, that particular character caused a lot of confusion among players by using the ISD Mercury official news banners in player created forum posts from The Scope.

The best way to tell if something is considered canon or not, is to see whether it is referenced in the EVElopedia's fiction portal, or is mentioned in official news.

Just for reference Smile

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Khimi Harar
#20 - 2013-02-24 23:21:09 UTC
Worth noting that the late-Alpha/early-Beta names of the initial Titans in the game were apparently:

- Amarr: Imud-Hubrau
- Caldari: Unclear, I have heard the name "Omnya" used.
- Minmatar: Leviathan (yes, the same as the Caldari now)
- Gallente: Solteur
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