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Proper moderation of ideas and F&I overhaul

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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-02-20 10:18:42 UTC
its just accepted as fact now that the F&I section of the forums is where good ideas go to die.

As a result general discussion gets flooded with bloody stupid ideas on a daily basis.

Its incredibly active here in GD and as a result ideas here are commented and expanded on. These ideas then get more chance of being picked up by a Blue. This then perpetuates the idea that GD is the best place to post your idea.

Mods are very quick to move OT posts to Out of Pod, to lock threads that offend. Where are the mods that are meant to be moving this stuff to F&I?

I mean if you persist in moving this stuff eventually players will get the message and we will stop seeing these threads in GD.


Why do I care?

A good feedback loop for ideas is essential to EvE.

F&I deserves to be a far more active section of the forum. It should be subsectioned into things like "ships", "POS", "Sov" and etc.
Then the relevant dev can skim the relevant subsection and pick up any great ideas.

Its inevitable that ideas will receive less comments but if the important Blue people are actively checking on the F&I section then that doesnt really matter.

Either make F&I serve a useful function or remove it completely. The current situation is not tenable.
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Whitehound
#2 - 2013-02-20 11:17:46 UTC
You should have posted this in Features and Ideas Discussion.

On the topic: supported, of course...

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Zombie132
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-20 11:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Zombie132
I don't often support the OP, but when I do ...

I give my reasoning behind it


I agree in spirit with the OP, in that the F&I section of the forums need a revamp. Something to get them seen more by the general populace. At the moment many ideas and features go unnoticed because of players not discussing, but trolling, naysaying, or trying to push their own agenda. I'm not sure subsectioning everything is the way to go, though. Wouldn't that lead to less viewing, and not more?
ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2013-02-20 12:34:26 UTC
Greetings

We appreciate the feedback and the flag system is the appropriate method to bring threads to our attention. If there is a particular thread you are referring to, by all means flag it for us so we can move it if necessary. Thank you for your support.

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Jase Lors
Suddenly Corporation.
#5 - 2013-02-20 12:39:04 UTC
Yeah, I'll support this one.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#6 - 2013-02-20 16:44:12 UTC
CCP has said that they do not like to look like they are showing favoritism to any idea. But they do comment on ideas that happen to show up in GD. The result: Favoritism, and the feeling like every idea in F&I is not liked by the Devs.

Fix: Devs should comment in F&I. Things that would be good to know: If its already in the pipeline, if the current code would make the idea easy or real hard, if there is some issue with the idea that needs another idea to fix, Or if it conflicts with something else currently in development.

As for trolling, maybe ISD should be a bit more aggressive in F&I. Keep the discussion on any idea focused on that idea.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2013-02-20 16:48:58 UTC
One problem I see is with all the "non-constructive" or rather destructive feedback that gets unchecked even when reported. There are a few regular that just love to **** on anything and everything that gets posted in F&I. Dealing with those would greatly improve quality of the threads and discussion there.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#8 - 2013-02-20 16:56:05 UTC
Supported.

GD is not the place to post this stuff, just like a Dope Trailer is no place for a kitty.




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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#9 - 2013-02-20 17:00:22 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
One problem I see is with all the "non-constructive" or rather destructive feedback that gets unchecked even when reported. There are a few regular that just love to **** on anything and everything that gets posted in F&I. Dealing with those would greatly improve quality of the threads and discussion there.

To be honest, many of the 'Ideas' suggested are simply bad, and are merely earning their just due.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#10 - 2013-02-20 17:04:40 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
One problem I see is with all the "non-constructive" or rather destructive feedback that gets unchecked even when reported. There are a few regular that just love to **** on anything and everything that gets posted in F&I. Dealing with those would greatly improve quality of the threads and discussion there.

To be honest, many of the 'Ideas' suggested are simply bad, and are merely earning their just due.

If it's a bad idea, then there is a good reason for it. A reason that can be explained. Throwing only toxic rejection on it is like empty posting. There is no place for that in creative discourse.

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-20 17:16:37 UTC
I think F&I sucks because you hardly every see a Dev drop by, even though there are some VERY good ideas there.

The Post on PI overhaul is amazing.
The post for the Fitted ships freighter is great

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#12 - 2013-02-20 17:31:54 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Abrazzar wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
One problem I see is with all the "non-constructive" or rather destructive feedback that gets unchecked even when reported. There are a few regular that just love to **** on anything and everything that gets posted in F&I. Dealing with those would greatly improve quality of the threads and discussion there.

To be honest, many of the 'Ideas' suggested are simply bad, and are merely earning their just due.

If it's a bad idea, then there is a good reason for it. A reason that can be explained. Throwing only toxic rejection on it is like empty posting. There is no place for that in creative discourse.
Fair point.
On the other hand, I can understand the reaction after bone-headed idea following bone-headed idea is brought forth. After a while, reason just surrenders and says: "Fsk it. I'm just gunna bash 'em on the head."

Actual moderation would be welcome, if it were to ever show up on a reliable basis.

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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-02-21 10:41:19 UTC
ISD Flidais Asagiri wrote:
Greetings

We appreciate the feedback and the flag system is the appropriate method to bring threads to our attention. If there is a particular thread you are referring to, by all means flag it for us so we can move it if necessary. Thank you for your support.



thx for the response, I will consider this a green light to flag up any and all idea threads I see in GD, cheers!
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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-02-21 10:45:19 UTC
only problem is: where is the ' flag ' button?
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Mag's
Azn Empire
#15 - 2013-02-21 10:53:14 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
only problem is: where is the ' flag ' button?

Above flag in that post.

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Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-02-21 10:55:50 UTC
heh. thx! That would be the small picture of a flag then Oops
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#17 - 2013-02-21 11:22:41 UTC
F&I is a terrible section. Also whats the difference between posting an idea in F&I, or posting the idea as a proposal in Assembly hall?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#18 - 2013-02-21 12:08:14 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:

If it's a bad idea, then there is a good reason for it. A reason that can be explained. Throwing only toxic rejection on it is like empty posting. There is no place for that in creative discourse.


Usually there is. The "toxic rejection" comes when it's the 3899215th time the idea has been proposed by someone who didn't make even the slightest attempt to see if his idea might not actually be novel.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#19 - 2013-02-21 12:11:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:

If it's a bad idea, then there is a good reason for it. A reason that can be explained. Throwing only toxic rejection on it is like empty posting. There is no place for that in creative discourse.


Usually there is. The "toxic rejection" comes when it's the 3899215th time the idea has been proposed by someone who didn't make even the slightest attempt to see if his idea might not actually be novel.
Often when a similar idea, is still on the first page.

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