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Oversized Guns vs Smaller Ships [The Problem]
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Makavelia
National Industries
#21 - 2013-02-21 20:26:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
Yeah, it realy makes sence to buff frigates more... i mean I'm sure to jump in my BS to go take on frigates that can perma lock me down at range then escape me should they completely noob it up and get into web range. Good plan.

If you take the smallest ships to a blobfest.. try to ''brawl'' then get dual webbed and poped FFS ;p.... can you realy expect something else.

To add something constructive.

It would be a nice concept if frigates had a local module to passively damped enemy ships targeting range on you (and you alone). Bare wit hme here.

The idea being, you can orbit at say 30km (this would brake the BS's lock on you) and then quickly dive in to do some dps. Before the BS can lock you again you get back out of web range and dive to 30k again to brake his lock on you.

Call it the ''hit and run'' concept. And with that.. should you get webbed and within range of enough ships to pop you then fking right you should get poped.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#22 - 2013-02-22 00:34:58 UTC
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A module which makes it impossible for a BS to lock an individual frigate, used by all frigates, results in a BS unable to lock any frigates, ever.

Believe me, I have seen what a gang of 6 Maulus' can achieve against, viz. Sleipnir, Cynabal, Naga, RML caracal. it is almost OP, except for the times the frigs orbit to close to, eg, the RML Caracal. But anything which get pinned by 6 maulus alone is dead. If those 6 Maulus pilots are actually half decent, they can pick off those ships, resulting in a lulsy set of killmails.

The way I see the BS problem, there's no need to further buff frigates. Your advantage taking on a BS in a frigate is your maneuverability. If you didn't fit a long point and aren't capstable, then you shouldn't engage a BS and CCP shouldn't be asked to change the game mechanics to make up for your inability to pick fights.

Likewise, it is arguable that BS's needn't be able to do DPS against frigs with their main guns. They needn't be able to run down frigates like Machariels can do. But they certainly should be able to alpha a frig who muffs his transversal on approach, and should definitely be able to do some damage against a AHAC/T3, versus absolutely no damage at the moment.

Pilot skill - in picking the fight, in the very least - should be a factor. Right now, it is not. Thus BS's go unused.

BS's need;
- decent but not stupid OP active tanking options
- decent main gun DPS which is effective against its common threats - and these days this includes cruisers, because if you pigeonhole BS's into a Napoleonic 'ships of the line' theorem they will continue to go unused
- versatility in ewar and cap warfare fittings. No one uses 8 gun hislot BS for PVP that doesn't involve gate/station timers for a very good reason
- decent secondary armament to threaten small tacklers.

Right now, the way EVE's tracking formula goes, and how hideous module llagg is, you'd be mad to attempt to take a BS out for a spin. And thus, no one does, short of having links and a fleet backing you up (ie; you're bait).

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Oska Rus
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#23 - 2013-02-22 09:19:09 UTC
If you would remove some frigate disadvantages and make it comparable in big an small battles to BS you would also have to increase frigate price to be comparable to BS.
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