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To the Dev/Employee working the anti-bot campaign
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#21 - 2013-02-20 01:24:23 UTC
Menian Galvon wrote:
All 34 pilots dock and undock at the exact same time, all warp at the same time, and do so all day. Shouldn't take so many weeks to take action. They are killing the market.


ITT: people who use fleet warp ARE BOTS.

Dear Menian Galvon,

Here is how you as a player can confirm that a mining ship is being flown by a bot:

  1. Watch their timing. Do they warp to station and belt with clockwork timing? If yes, continue. Otherwise, forget it.
  2. Suicide gank their ship.
  3. Does the pod continue to warp back and forth with clockwork timing? If yes, you very likely have a bot. Report it.


Here are false indicators for bots. That is to say, the following are signs that the player behind the ships simply choses not to interact with an honourable real person such as yourself:

  • Pilot does not chat in local
  • Pod stays in space for a long time after you have suicide ganked it (in this case, the chances are you just suicide ganked an AFK miner, not a bot)
  • Bumping them stops them mining while they slowboat back to the rock
  • Bumping them or targeting them doesn't trigger any conversation
  • They have a peculiar name
  • You just have this feeling in your gut that this guy is guilty


I hope this helps you better identify bots in the future, and reduces your frustration over apparent lack of decisive action from CCP.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-02-20 02:01:11 UTC
If I have time tonight I'll take my suicide fleet over there and poke around a bit.

People forget that mining isn't the only use for a program like ISBOxer, you think 30 mining barges is bad, imagine what 30 Tornados is like Twisted
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#23 - 2013-02-20 02:36:30 UTC
I like your attitude Klymer. While all the whiners are labelling AFK miners as "evil beings breaking the economy" you're realising what they really are: "targets".

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-02-20 22:36:19 UTC
Klymer wrote:
If I have time tonight I'll take my suicide fleet over there and poke around a bit.

People forget that mining isn't the only use for a program like ISBOxer, you think 30 mining barges is bad, imagine what 30 Tornados is like Twisted

The solution the miner buff is an isoboxed swarm of gankalysts.
KEKEKEKE Gankalyst rush!
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-02-21 17:42:04 UTC
The obvious (to me) fix to both AFK and botting mining is adding a mini-game to mining.

You know, like in Skyrim when you pick a lock and you have to move the lockpick along randomly pre-determined angles to open the lock.

Do the same for mining in EVE, a mining lasor control window opens and the person has to occasionally re-align the laser every 10 seconds or so to keep the ore flowing. Each client is getting a different random generated 'sweet spot' every 10 seconds, so bots and multibox tools wouldn't work. Lol

Done.

Would you like to know more?
Ginger Barbarella
#26 - 2013-02-21 17:45:00 UTC
Ckra Trald wrote:
fit dominix with officer smartbombs

win at eve and get praise from ganker comrades


This. And post the KMs. I need a good disco massacre. Twisted

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella
#27 - 2013-02-21 17:47:21 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Do the same for mining in EVE, a mining lasor control window opens and the person has to occasionally re-align the laser every 10 seconds or so to keep the ore flowing. Each client is getting a different random generated 'sweet spot' every 10 seconds, so bots and multibox tools wouldn't work.



So, basically, in a civilization with near-perfect clone-based life-after-death technology, light speed, stargate travel, and the Vagabond, nobody can keep a mining laser aligned on a floating rock in space?

Huh. Can I go any lower than 0/10 in thread rating?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-02-21 17:49:14 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its possible they are not bots.


But you should still consider the smartbomb thing. If that even works anymore? That's a loooot of HP to smart bomb...

-Liang


Isobox 10 phoons with 8 EM smartbombs and 3 EM hardners each. That should do it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-02-21 18:38:51 UTC
Please do not confuse multiboxing with botting.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-02-21 19:33:58 UTC
Menian Galvon wrote:
They are killing the market.


No, they're just ruining YOUR game. I don't like much this multiboxind thing but since CCP says it's ok then we need more multiboxers, spread the word and bring dozens of those, it will bring hundreds of accounts for CCP and cheap ships for us.

Spread the word on multiboxing forums, make then get in to the game. Nao dammit !!


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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#31 - 2013-02-21 19:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Domanique Altares
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
The obvious (to me) fix to both AFK and botting mining is adding a mini-game to mining.

You know, like in Skyrim when you pick a lock and you have to move the lockpick along randomly pre-determined angles to open the lock.

Do the same for mining in EVE, a mining lasor control window opens and the person has to occasionally re-align the laser every 10 seconds or so to keep the ore flowing. Each client is getting a different random generated 'sweet spot' every 10 seconds, so bots and multibox tools wouldn't work. Lol

- Legitimate multiboxers lose interest in trying to maintain ISK income with silly minigame mining and unsubscribe their additional accounts.

- CCP loses lots of revenue. Everyone suffers as a result.

Done.


FIFY.
Fnissure
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#32 - 2013-03-03 05:30:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Fnissure
Mara Rinn wrote:
Menian Galvon wrote:
All 34 pilots dock and undock at the exact same time, all warp at the same time, and do so all day. Shouldn't take so many weeks to take action. They are killing the market.


ITT: people who use fleet warp ARE BOTS.

Dear Menian Galvon,

Here is how you as a player can confirm that a mining ship is being flown by a bot:

  1. Watch their timing. Do they warp to station and belt with clockwork timing? If yes, continue. Otherwise, forget it.
  2. Suicide gank their ship.
  3. Does the pod continue to warp back and forth with clockwork timing? If yes, you very likely have a bot. Report it.






Sorry no.
a smart bot try to warpout at the first point you try and hit the ship.
a smart bot still warpsout if you pop the ship. the pod will warpout.
a smart bot will loggoff if the shield of the ship or hull get below X amound or is podded.

Only dum ass bots stay at the same point after ship loss.

also a smart bot can be set random times.
So it don't look like clockwork. stay 1-10 min in station. stay at belt 30 -50 secs after cargo is full. al sorts of timers.

It no real way to look for good smart bots. only that thare active 24/7. and i say 24/7. Can be a bot.
And not 20 hours a day.
thats just a dude with no life.
And CCP don't care or don't have the time to look for those smart bots.

Fnissure
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2013-03-03 05:54:34 UTC
Fnissure wrote:
Sorry no.
a smart bot try to warpout at the first point you try and hit the ship.
a smart bot still warpsout if you pop the ship. the pod will warpout.
a smart bot will loggoff if the shield of the ship or hull get below X amound or is podded.

Only dum ass bots stay at the same point after ship loss.

You know, I think these bots are smarter than a lot of people....

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#34 - 2013-03-03 06:07:41 UTC
This particular non-compliant spreads his fleet evenly throughout the ice belt. He also warps in and out close enough to station that a disco-phoon won't be able to get him on the undock.

Also, according to the last report I heard his fleet is protected by elements from TEST.

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-03-03 06:42:21 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
The obvious (to me) fix to both AFK and botting mining is adding a mini-game to mining.

You know, like in Skyrim when you pick a lock and you have to move the lockpick along randomly pre-determined angles to open the lock.

Do the same for mining in EVE, a mining lasor control window opens and the person has to occasionally re-align the laser every 10 seconds or so to keep the ore flowing. Each client is getting a different random generated 'sweet spot' every 10 seconds, so bots and multibox tools wouldn't work. Lol

Done.

Yes, and while the HUMAN players (because bots wopuld hae no trouble with this) are trying to fiddle with it tog et it right, they cant watch dscan/overview/local... pop there goes a barge.

any activity required for an activity to function that detracts from the players situational awareness is BAD, mkay?

probing is exempt from this as you can combine it with an active cloak.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-03-03 06:53:43 UTC
Even if they were actually bots I seriously doubt CCP is doing anything about them again. I've reported dozens of known RMT spam botters for weeks. No bans, no suspensions, nothing. Whomever is in charge of security has fallen asleep on the job.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-03-03 11:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Do the same for mining in EVE, a mining lasor control window opens and the person has to occasionally re-align the laser every 10 seconds or so to keep the ore flowing. Each client is getting a different random generated 'sweet spot' every 10 seconds, so bots and multibox tools wouldn't work.



So, basically, in a civilization with near-perfect clone-based life-after-death technology, light speed, stargate travel, and the Vagabond, nobody can keep a mining laser aligned on a floating rock in space?

Huh. Can I go any lower than 0/10 in thread rating?
To share a bookmark with somebody who is out of corp,
we need to put a piece of paper into some sort of container and only then can share it with the other guy.
Worse, if not via jetcan in space, then only in a station where both have to be at at the same time,
unless you use contracts, which doesn't change that it's ridiculous.
Tell me more about our advanced civilization. xD

Also: Morgan Freeman eats cotton candy.

Your argument is invalid.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-03-03 13:00:38 UTC
Maybe the tutorial should include something about fleet warp, it might help with all these self appointed bot hunters. Pirate

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-03-03 13:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Do the same for mining in EVE, a mining lasor control window opens and the person has to occasionally re-align the laser every 10 seconds or so to keep the ore flowing. Each client is getting a different random generated 'sweet spot' every 10 seconds, so bots and multibox tools wouldn't work. Lol


you realize that ONLY bots would mine with this system

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Runeme Shilter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-03-03 15:24:20 UTC
I don't know if they are indeed bots or just multiboxers, but consider this:

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Replicator%20Deka01 (Replicator Deka01) through to Replicator Deka40 were active in decembre.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Replicator%20Exa01 (Replicator Exa01) through to Replicator Exa40 were active in january.
and now
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Replicator%20Femto01 (Replicator Femto01) through to Replicator Femto52 are active.

Why would anyone be using new characters all the time to fleetmine? Replicator Deka and Replicator Exa haven't logged in for weeks now, so I think it's fair to assume they have been banned and replaced by new accounts. I'm just wondering why it takes so long for CCP to act each time.
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