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To the Dev/Employee working the anti-bot campaign
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Menian Galvon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-19 22:44:40 UTC
Several weeks ago I put in bot reports for 34 clients named "Replicator Exa1(to 34)". No action has been taken yet, and even petitions fail to remove these obvious bots from the game. Now another swarm of 32 clients named "Alphaclone psi 1 (to 32)" have entered the system.

All 34 pilots dock and undock at the exact same time, all warp at the same time, and do so all day. Shouldn't take so many weeks to take action. They are killing the market.

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Menian Galvon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-19 22:45:20 UTC
And in the mean-time, to those smartbombing pilots, a free 34 mackinaw/retriever kill is awaiting in Misneden.

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Kate stark
#3 - 2013-02-19 22:46:22 UTC
consider the following: they aren't bots.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2013-02-19 22:46:58 UTC
Its possible they are not bots.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#5 - 2013-02-19 22:47:18 UTC
Believe it or not, that sounds to me like someone that isn't botting. If you want to ruin their day, try bumping them away from their roids. ;-)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2013-02-19 22:48:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its possible they are not bots.


But you should still consider the smartbomb thing. If that even works anymore? That's a loooot of HP to smart bomb...

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Ckra Trald
Ckra Trald Corporation
#7 - 2013-02-19 22:48:42 UTC
fit dominix with officer smartbombs

win at eve and get praise from ganker comrades

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#8 - 2013-02-19 22:49:12 UTC
What Kate said. They could be using ISboxer or some other application that CCP has repeatedly said is acceptable.

Not that I particularly agree with their ruling that copying a command 30 times is any different than scripting a command to cycle 30 times, but that's where CCP draws the line.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Menian Galvon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-19 22:49:56 UTC
I did bump them and prevent them from warping several times. Breaks that character for about 30 minutes before it gets sucked back into the cycle.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#10 - 2013-02-19 22:50:28 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Believe it or not, that sounds to me like someone that isn't botting. If you want to ruin their day, try bumping them away from their roids. ;-)

-Liang

Get some dudes in 100mn mwd tornadoes and go bowling. It's a good way to pass the time.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-19 22:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
The best way to tell if they are botting is to gank one.
Let concord kill you and let the timer wear off.
Go back and see if the pod is still there.

If it is, they are botting.

Pop the pod for good measure.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#12 - 2013-02-19 23:04:30 UTC
Someone just working that ice belt hard. Wasn't there a thread not long ago with a video of that being done? Included the depletion of a ice roid.

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Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-19 23:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
If they're using similar names and all converging in the same place, then it's more likely that they're not botting. It simply draws too much attention. As others pointed out, it's very likely to be a player using ISBoxer - especially if they're mining ice.

Now if they were all running L4 missions independently from different stations, then I'd be very suspicious...
Arec Bardwin
#14 - 2013-02-19 23:18:09 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The best way to tell if they are botting is to gank one.
Let concord kill you and let the timer wear off.
Go back and see if the pod is still there.

If it is, they are botting.

Pop the pod for good measure.
You should apply for a position as botter hunter at CCP Big smile

Hint: there's a slight possibility he might be AFK, you still get the pod though.
Google Voices
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-02-19 23:25:44 UTC
Money is Money kids, no matter how many isBoxers there are...



"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that “one day Veritas will come up to me and say ‘hey I fixed off-grid boosting’”, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle."
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-02-19 23:34:46 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The best way to tell if they are botting is to gank one.
Let concord kill you and let the timer wear off.
Go back and see if the pod is still there.

If it is, they are botting.

Pop the pod for good measure.

Confirming that if you don't warp our pod out within 15 minutes you are indeed a bot. Roll

Where do you guys come up with this stuff??
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2013-02-19 23:46:44 UTC
Fit 100mn MWD to Talos with overdrives and speed rigs.
Overheat and plow thru miner blob at 8900m/s+.
Repeat until all are off grid.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2013-02-20 00:39:35 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The best way to tell if they are botting is to gank one.
Let concord kill you and let the timer wear off.
Go back and see if the pod is still there.

If it is, they are botting.

Pop the pod for good measure.

Wait for them to warp to the station. If they come back in the pod and try to mine then you know you have one.
Kate stark
#19 - 2013-02-20 00:40:42 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Fit 100mn MWD to Talos with overdrives and speed rigs.
Overheat and plow thru miner blob at 8900m/s+.
Repeat until all are off grid.


and then we can charge them 10mil for a permit and...

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
xarjin
Galactic Deep Space Industries
Brave Collective
#20 - 2013-02-20 00:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
Menian Galvon wrote:
Several weeks ago I put in bot reports for 34 clients named "Replicator Exa1(to 34)". No action has been taken yet, and even petitions fail to remove these obvious bots from the game. Now another swarm of 32 clients named "Alphaclone psi 1 (to 32)" have entered the system.

All 34 pilots dock and undock at the exact same time, all warp at the same time, and do so all day. Shouldn't take so many weeks to take action. They are killing the market.


Congratulations you found a multiboxer. If you want to learn how it works check out this thread for some examples

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/48900-Ultimate-Tri-Force-7-box-Fleet-(watcha-think-)?p=376552&viewfull=1#post376552

or a easy screenshot from the thread above if you don't have a dual-boxing forum account.

http://i.imgur.com/haTRdAK.jpg


Senior GM Lelouch verified that software and hardware multiboxing is indeed legal in Eve in this forum reply to my eve-o thread:

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10

Posted - 2010.04.23 15:51:00

Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support
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