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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2013-02-19 19:53:54 UTC
Lysa Riay wrote:
An option to dispose of the vomit inducing camera shake would be nice! it doesnt even scale as you zoom out...#

Evil

being adjusted to differing sensory input is a good start.
Or are you going to refuse your VR headset soon?

Also you could try not being shot.
If you kill them before they launch no shake for you.

Options general camera shake.
Bubbleboylol
Militia Federation
#102 - 2013-02-19 19:54:07 UTC
Jalen1 wrote:
cant fit a missile launcher to Ferrox since upgrade.
Is that part of the re-balancing? or a bug?

Jalen1




Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp


Asking to have more then one ( Option From CCP is like asking a chicken to cook it-self. )

De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2013-02-19 19:56:48 UTC
Bubbleboylol wrote:
Jalen1 wrote:
cant fit a missile launcher to Ferrox since upgrade.
Is that part of the re-balancing? or a bug?

Jalen1




Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp




Being out of balance is, by definition, broken when you consider the context. Just because you don't like the fix doesn't mean it wasn't needed.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2013-02-19 20:00:32 UTC
Bubbleboylol wrote:
Jalen1 wrote:
cant fit a missile launcher to Ferrox since upgrade.
Is that part of the re-balancing? or a bug?

Jalen1




Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



I already told you that the drake does more damage now than before. Stop whining.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Nadzieijko Andrastile
The Pinecone Squad
United Federation of Conifers
#105 - 2013-02-19 20:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nadzieijko Andrastile
If you actually do the math, you'll see a more level playing field than before. It's really not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. They took away what you knew, now you need to think of a new way to fit your ship, or just wait for someone to make a new cookie cutter fit.

Pitting several high SP accounts against each other in newly modified battlecruisers has been more fun and actually provides a challenge. Sorry you can't bring your Drake to everything.
Bubbleboylol
Militia Federation
#106 - 2013-02-19 20:16:42 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bubbleboylol wrote:
Jalen1 wrote:
cant fit a missile launcher to Ferrox since upgrade.
Is that part of the re-balancing? or a bug?

Jalen1




Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



I already told you that the drake does more damage now than before. Stop whining.




That's not the point. I don't want to be forced to use only a certain type ship to do what i need to at that time. The thing that brought me to this game ( years ago ) was the fact that so many options are available on so many ships that you could outfit to your liking. The whole curtailed and role set mindset that all these mmo's are taking as of late is just bad business for us, good for them. As people would just be able to hurry look up the best outfit and just get that then doing research and outfitting to there need for what they are doing. People are slowly being forced to use only a certain type setup to be-able to compete with other setups or you are left behind if you choose not to use that certain setup. I am not going to get into the argument about how this ship is better or that can be better if you do that, that is the whole point for having options so you can choose for yourself what you think is better, even if others think it's not. Not pre ordained rules.

Asking to have more then one ( Option From CCP is like asking a chicken to cook it-self. )

Rasmier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2013-02-19 20:18:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bubbleboylol wrote:
Jalen1 wrote:
cant fit a missile launcher to Ferrox since upgrade.
Is that part of the re-balancing? or a bug?

Jalen1




Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



I already told you that the drake does more damage now than before. Stop whining.


It's offical now....CCP hates caldari pilots
Amaloy Jeqcovy
Raytheon Intergalactic Research
Fall From Grace.
#108 - 2013-02-19 20:20:27 UTC
With all the rebalancing, I am leaving. It feels like CCP is balancing the game so that frigates can take out BC's much easier. Is this game going the same direction as WoW in that regard?

I don't want the game too balanced. Why not just make one ship, one gun? Now that's balance. It is not, however, what gamers want in a game. Some gamers want to be able to find a few BFG's, while others like pistols. When gamers put a lot of time and money (this is a paid subscription game) into achieving a ship and fit, it is repulsive to log in to find that fitting is no longer valid and can no longer be hoped for.

I don't pay for games that let me acquire something through large effort just to have it taken permanently away. Because of this, the most enjoyable aspect of the game is social - and that's not enough to keep me here. Especially in a game that tries to fix things that aren't broken, and ignores the things that are (example: POS management).
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2013-02-19 20:20:32 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Bubbleboylol wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bubbleboylol wrote:
Jalen1 wrote:
cant fit a missile launcher to Ferrox since upgrade.
Is that part of the re-balancing? or a bug?

Jalen1




Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



I already told you that the drake does more damage now than before. Stop whining.




That's not the point. I don't want to be forced to use only a certain type ship to do what i need to at that time. The thing that brought me to this game ( years ago ) was the fact that so many options are available on so many ships that you could outfit to your liking. The whole curtailed and role set mindset that all these mmo's are taking as of late is just bad business for us, good for them. As people would just be able to hurry look up the best outfit and just get that then doing research and outfitting to there need for what they are doing. People are slowly being forced to use only a certain type setup to be-able to compete with other setups or you are left behind if you choose not to use that certain setup. I am not going to get into the argument about how this ship is better or that can be better if you do that, that is the whole point for having options so you can choose for yourself what you think is better, even if others think it's not. Not pre ordained rules.

All ships are have always been made for specific roles, these rules are simply being made more defined and delineated to help ensure that some ships aren't made obsolete by others.
You still have plenty of options. In fact you have more options than you did before.
You seem to be complaining that one ship can do slightly less than it could before... well that ship WAS broken. Get over it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2013-02-19 20:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Amaloy Jeqcovy wrote:
With all the rebalancing, I am leaving.

Nobody cares. Especially since you apparently don't understand how the rebalancing works at all.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#111 - 2013-02-19 20:24:52 UTC
Lord Thingol wrote:
Because I can say with full awarness, that Caldari is the worst race for PVP today.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

3 Caldari ships in top 4.
4 Caldari ships in top 6.
Bubbleboylol
Militia Federation
#112 - 2013-02-19 20:25:18 UTC
Nadzieijko Andrastile wrote:
If you actually do the math, you'll see a more level playing field than before. It's really not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. They took away what you knew, now you need to think of a new way to fit your ship, or just wait for someone to make a new cookie cutter fit.

Pitting several high SP accounts against each other in newly modified battlecruisers has been more fun and actually provides a challenge. Sorry you can't bring your Drake to everything.




Being able to refit and choose what and how you like to set things up is great! I am all for it, but not being forced into a certain setup on a certain ship of not my own choosing. I am sure some will agree with me and some will not, that is the great thing about having options and choices! But they are all slowly getting turned into ( "cookie cutter fit" ) that's all good, but what is the point if you can just look up the best fit put it on and call it good? so you can go out and fight and kill other ships that have the same cookie cutter setup? will that not get boring when you know every fight will be the same> and everyone will have the same fit? do you get what i am saying? it's hard to see and watch choices slowly get ripped away from being a long time player like myself.

Asking to have more then one ( Option From CCP is like asking a chicken to cook it-self. )

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2013-02-19 20:26:50 UTC
Naga #1
Rokh #3
Caracal #4
Drake #6
Yep, Caldari is definitely worst for PVP.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2013-02-19 20:27:25 UTC
Bubbleboylol wrote:
Nadzieijko Andrastile wrote:
If you actually do the math, you'll see a more level playing field than before. It's really not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. They took away what you knew, now you need to think of a new way to fit your ship, or just wait for someone to make a new cookie cutter fit.

Pitting several high SP accounts against each other in newly modified battlecruisers has been more fun and actually provides a challenge. Sorry you can't bring your Drake to everything.




Being able to refit and choose what and how you like to set things up is great! I am all for it, but not being forced into a certain setup on a certain ship of not my own choosing. I am sure some will agree with me and some will not, that is the great thing about having options and choices! But they are all slowly getting turned into ( "cookie cutter fit" ) that's all good, but what is the point if you can just look up the best fit put it on and call it good? so you can go out and fight and kill other ships that have the same cookie cutter setup? will that not get boring when you know every fight will be the same> and everyone will have the same fit? do you get what i am saying? it's hard to see and watch choices slowly get ripped away from being a long time player like myself.

No, this isn't what's happening. Read what I said earlier.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Reiken VonPain
Nation of Epson
#115 - 2013-02-19 20:30:31 UTC
I do like the Idea of rebalancing the battle cruisers and i don't have any issues with it except one. The drake, why'd ya have to take away a missile hard point? that'll make missioning and PVP harder. I don't think the change from 5% to 10% missile kinetic damage bonus makes up for the DPS of an extra missile launcher.
James Achassious
Apotheosis.
#116 - 2013-02-19 20:31:51 UTC
*Insert sarcasm* Well this is great! Big smile *End sarcasm* I just started the game and felt so accomplished when I finally upgraded from a Caracal to a Drake a day or so ago. Only to find today that this amazing upgrade *Re-enter sarcasm* gave a whopping 1!!! more missile launcher! Thats exactly what I was working all this time as a begining player for! Thanks for the update, I so fricken happy. This reeeally makes me wanna keep playing EVE! *End sarcasm, Insert middle finger*

Big smileBig smileBig smile
James Achassious
Apotheosis.
#117 - 2013-02-19 20:33:04 UTC
Reiken VonPain wrote:
I do like the Idea of rebalancing the battle cruisers and i don't have any issues with it except one. The drake, why'd ya have to take away a missile hard point? that'll make missioning and PVP harder. I don't think the change from 5% to 10% missile kinetic damage bonus makes up for the DPS of an extra missile launcher.


I agree completely with you.
Bubbleboylol
Militia Federation
#118 - 2013-02-19 20:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bubbleboylol
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bubbleboylol wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bubbleboylol wrote:
Jalen1 wrote:
cant fit a missile launcher to Ferrox since upgrade.
Is that part of the re-balancing? or a bug?

Jalen1




Nah man they screwed BC owners, I am caldari myself and i use both drake and ferox, i always preferred ferox for reasons but used drake on occasion. Now i WILL not use drake and ferox is crap. People may argue that it is better or change is good. Well why fix it if it is not broke as the saying goes. So they fixed it because it was not broke.


http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



I already told you that the drake does more damage now than before. Stop whining.




That's not the point. I don't want to be forced to use only a certain type ship to do what i need to at that time. The thing that brought me to this game ( years ago ) was the fact that so many options are available on so many ships that you could outfit to your liking. The whole curtailed and role set mindset that all these mmo's are taking as of late is just bad business for us, good for them. As people would just be able to hurry look up the best outfit and just get that then doing research and outfitting to there need for what they are doing. People are slowly being forced to use only a certain type setup to be-able to compete with other setups or you are left behind if you choose not to use that certain setup. I am not going to get into the argument about how this ship is better or that can be better if you do that, that is the whole point for having options so you can choose for yourself what you think is better, even if others think it's not. Not pre ordained rules.

All ships are have always been made for specific roles, these rules are simply being made more defined and delineated to help ensure that some ships aren't made obsolete by others.
You still have plenty of options. In fact you have more options than you did before.
You seem to be complaining that one ship can do slightly less than it could before... well that ship WAS broken. Get over it.




But the "defined and delineated to help ensure that some ships aren't made obsolete by others. and the "well that ship WAS broken." type comments just shows that you do not look at everything objectively as you should. I am just worried and trying to voice my opinion about the changes that i see happening to this great game that is a kick starter to a bad game. You must not be ignorant to the facts of countless other MMO's that have gone the same route, I care about the route that EVE goes as it is slowly doing just the same.

Asking to have more then one ( Option From CCP is like asking a chicken to cook it-self. )

chris1945
Ambivalence Co-operative
#119 - 2013-02-19 20:34:55 UTC
Corporation Search Tools:

I am still missing the search option for tax. And the search preview does not show the tax. Have to check corp info first.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2013-02-19 20:48:38 UTC
Bubbleboylol wrote:
But the "defined and delineated to help ensure that some ships aren't made obsolete by others. and the "well that ship WAS broken." type comments just shows that you do not look at everything objectively as you should. I am just worried and trying to voice my opinion about the changes that i see happening to this great game that is a kick starter to a bad game. You must not be ignorant to the facts of countless other MMO's that have gone the same route, I care about the route that EVE goes as it is slowly doing just the same.

I'm not running for the CSM. I'm advocating someone else who is.

Besides, the Drake being broken is a pretty objective assessment, seeing as until recently it was so overpowered there was almost no reason to use any other BC (except for maybe the Hurricane).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)