EVE General Discussion

So the wolves are complaining that they've eaten all the sheep outside of the enclosure, and now they'd like the farmer to take down his fences. Perhaps you could scrap with another pack of wolves instead?

Who mines belts in null? When I was in null, we only mined the spawned clusters, only between the time they spawned, and the first non-blue showed up in local. Once there was a chance he cluster had been probed out, we would wait for it to despawn and respawn.

which means watching the screen, as oppsoed to wathcing a movie like the high sec miner is.


Which is the 4 of 5 cycles of being able to walk completely away from your computer. Making it 4 or 5 cycles more than what you can do in null sec.



That totally helps you with Awoxers, or guys who come out of a wormhole less than 2AU from your belt.....



if any of that were true, thousands more miners would be mining outside of high sec. They aren't.

I don't care where people play, but when the high sec people can't even be honest about the advantages they enjoy, that's irritating.

We'd love to, but there arn't any. Once upon a time, before the bad days of an unbalanced hi-sec and null sec anomolies, nullsec dwellers used to use the belts to make their money, ratting and mining. This meant nullsec was packed with nice juicy targets busy making isk to pay for their PVP ships.

This plethora of targets attracted numerous fast moving gangs who roamed throughout nullsec looking for their 'Daily Raven'. As this activity caused a loss of isk to the large alliance members, defensive gangs were often created to fight the aggressors, gate camps set up to catch them as they roamed through the alliances territory, jump bridges used to get ahead of a roaming gang, to kill them as they exited an alliances space.

An alliance that didn't defend in this way quickly started losing members as isk making became too difficult and moral crumbled, this meant that a small PVP corp, living on the edge of an alliances area could have a real impact on the daily life in nullsec, the easy targets of ratting Ravens and miners started the whole PVP food chain, which could escalate up and up until alliances were fighting each other. All aspects of PVP were being created from small gangs up to large alliance fleets.

Now the targets are gone, some safely away into anomolies, but most back into hi-sec to earn safe isk. No easy targes in the belts, no roaming gangs, no defense fleets, no FCs trying to stay three steps ahead of another gang as a running battle develops across 30 jumps. No fun, just AFK cloakers and big blob sov grinds.

Some of us would like the balance put back so we can have the fun PVP game we used to know.

I keep seeing this topic and it's premise is based on someone's faulty concept of "Risk vs Reward".
The premise of those that keep posting this topic seems to be: "The Riskier my proceedure, the Greater my reward should be"

Soooooo....if Riskier = Greater Reward, why isn't everyone dumping all their savings on high risk stocks on the NYSE? Because Riskier = Great Reward for VERY FEW who engage in such procedures...most fail and lose their shirts....or...wait for it...IT Woudn't be RISKY.

That is why so very many prefer to stay in High Sec and mine in greater relative safety for "Less Reward" (Pyrox-Veldspar) instead of risking ships and investment/profits mining more rewarding ores (Arkonor-Jaspet) in LS/Null/Whs.

Please stop posting nonsense about how "your risky venture MUST pay off greater than those who choose safer investments for their time and ISK".
If you choose to take risks, you are statistically more likely to lose your shirt than those that do not.

What world does your brain live in? A MMO?

Damn I knew I and the other Knights are James 315 alts, but Poetic Stanziel too?

errr....

Mining, manufacturing and production, I do all of these and they're all forms of PvP, you're competing with other players for ore (I exclude Ice, it's a bottomless pit that needs to be fixed) and competing for other players for market sales. Eve is about competition, and competing with other players is PvP, regardless of whether ammunition is exchanged or not.

the two aren't mutually exclusive. you can watch both the screen, and a movie, as i so often do.

nothing stops me walking away from the computer in null sec either. and i can do it for more time.

people from wormholes come up in local, so yes it does help.

why would you want to mine outside of high sec? the isk/hour is only fractionally better when CHERRYPICKING ores. which, generally, due to the way 0.0 grav sites work, isn't some thing you can really do. in addition this fractionally higher income while diminished by the lack of real ability to cherry pick is further diminished by the cost in both isk and time in order to get your minerals to jita to turn them in to isk. THAT is why people mine in high sec, because at the end of the day the profit is arguably higher. i say arguably because logistics costs vary depending on how good your infrastructure is as a 0.0 entity.

bonus reason; player corps are ****. there's nothing a player corp can offer you, as a miner, yet they always demand something of you. further increasing the "cost" to mine in space that barely offers you more isk/hour than high sec.

the advantages of high sec? almost the same isk/hour for the activity, less logistical hassle, not obliged to be in a corp that has nothing to offer you. it really has very little to do with how "safe" or "afkable" mining is. if non-miners want to pretend it is, they're welcome to do so.

Did you consider moving to another system?