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Pantiy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-03-20 16:31:02 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this is such a hotly desired feature? I don't really get it.

Grinding up security status to regain access to hisec takes a really long time and is really boring (especially if you're starting from a full -10). Many of the people who want to improve their sec status also happen to have a lot of ISK, assets, or real life money (for PLEX). They would like to apply that resource to solve the sec status problem in a quicker way than through grinding it up. Plain and simple.

The particular implementation of "tags for sec" discussed by the CSM also got positive feedback as these special tags would only be available in lowsec, which would -- in theory -- increase the population and traffic of lowsec. See the summit notes (linked above) for more details.



Then stop ganking people and or going neg ten.
Pantiy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-03-20 16:33:16 UTC
BadAssMcKill wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this is such a hotly desired feature? I don't really get it.



Go -10 and then try to grind up to -2.0 and you'll see why




Same as above answer, in fact the way you answered sounded more like "boo hoo I'm neg ten, ohh how did it get this way"
Stop ganking people and popping pods and you go neg ten. Remember the choice you make have costs. Sorry if you don't understand that.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-03-20 16:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebecha Pucontis
Stupid idea. So suddenly because you hand in some tags which you bought from someone else you are a shining knight despite the fact you just killed hundreds of innocent players. Completely stupid idea, actions have consequences, and players know fully that shooting innocent pilots is going to drop their sec status.

If this is implemented then next I want tags so I can hand them into Caldari State to get my faction standing up to +10 without having to run any missions. Also why not let us hand in tags which increase our SP also.
Eresphere
TransArcadian Dynamics
#24 - 2013-03-20 16:51:20 UTC
Plain and simple:

Assuming these tags will be fair game to market or contract, should security status be purchasable?

And if so, at what premium?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-03-20 19:22:48 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Kinda completely removes the 'consequences' part from 'decisions'.

Talk about making Eve into a theme-park. Guess it's not just carebears that want easy mode.



DMC

lol we don't care about your 5.8 sec stat


lol, just how fail can you get?

Obviously you do or you wouldn't have spent the time to look..


DMC

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-03-20 20:30:24 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Arronicus wrote:

Except, you know, they can spend RL money on plex, and use that plex to buy the tags, to fix their sec status. It's essentially a micro transaction. They would be paying for a sec status increase, with real life cash...

Consequences should not be fixed in that way. If you want to go -10, and pirate lowsec, then go to 0.0 after, spend a couple evenings, system to system, 1 bs each, and fix it. It's not supposed to be super easy to fix your standings...


Well I could also spend RL cash on a toon with shiny sec status. Toon that somebody else developed. How is it different from buying tags to fix my toon's sec status? Except of course me having yet another alt.


The difference comes in retiring the toon you pvped in, thus, you are stuck with a new killboard history, and perhaps a name you dislike.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#27 - 2013-03-20 20:34:46 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
good feature. make it so you can grind SP with these tags and i will fully support it.

"grinding haven't go anywhere, you pay and someone grinds for you"
"you can spend your money for new toon"
did i miss something?What?

PS: yes, it was sarcasm.


Also Straw to fill your man.

Since you cannot currently grind for SP.

The correct analogy for tags-for-sec would be some way to buy and sell characters for ISK... like the Character Bazaar.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-03-20 20:45:41 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
good feature. make it so you can grind SP with these tags and i will fully support it.

"grinding haven't go anywhere, you pay and someone grinds for you"
"you can spend your money for new toon"
did i miss something?What?

PS: yes, it was sarcasm.


Also Straw to fill your man.

Since you cannot currently grind for SP.

The correct analogy for tags-for-sec would be some way to buy and sell characters for ISK... like the Character Bazaar.


You just contradicted the point in your second sentence by the point you made in your third.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2013-03-20 20:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
You just contradicted the point in your second sentence by the point you made in your third.


You can grind for (ISK to buy) characters, not SP. There's a difference.


You can currently buy and sell just about everything you gain from grinding except Sec Status.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-03-20 20:54:55 UTC
You can grind SP in the same way you mention grinding security standing - By grinding up isk and purchasing a character from the Bazaar.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2013-03-20 20:59:17 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
You can grind SP in the same way you mention grinding security standing - By grinding up isk and purchasing a character from the Bazaar.


Which is not grinding for SP.

Where did I say anything about purchasing characters for their high sec status?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-03-20 21:02:30 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

The correct analogy for tags-for-sec would be some way to buy and sell characters for ISK... like the Character Bazaar.
Ayame Tao
#33 - 2013-03-21 00:42:30 UTC
Sec Status is recognised as a severe and intended consequence.

If not, it would not be a bannable offence to biomass neg-sec characters and reroll (cos you're losing that character is enough hit right? No...)

If you can essentially buy sec for ISK, what's the point of neg-sec at all?


People who pirate revel in flashy red status. people who PVP in FW or null don't care too much. The main people who have problems with neg-sec are those trying to gank people and still operate in high sec.


Crimewatch has done a lot to make high sec ganking better (in that it takes a bit more planning, expense, risk and consequence than before) Why revert that change with a diametric opposite feature?
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#34 - 2013-03-21 01:21:40 UTC
Can I buy tags to raise the security status of systems, I am going to make all of 0.0 into 1.0 Smile
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#35 - 2013-03-21 02:04:27 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

The correct analogy for tags-for-sec would be some way to buy and sell characters for ISK... like the Character Bazaar.


Yeah, that was talking for purchasing characters for their increased set of abilities. You have to actually read all the words in a post and the post it's responding to. Context matters.

RubyPorto wrote:

March rabbit wrote:
good feature. make it so you can grind SP with these tags and i will fully support it.


The correct analogy [to compare Sec and SP] for tags-for-sec would be some way to buy and sell characters for ISK... like the Character Bazaar.


With tags for Sec, you purchase the services of another player to generate sec status increases in the normal way (grinding) on your behalf.

With the character bazaar, you purchase the services of another player to generate a high SP character in the normal way (being subscribed) on your behalf.

See how those two examples are parallel? It doesn't quite work if you reword the character bazaar example to be about purchasing characters for Sec status.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
cheese monkey
Chilil-out
#36 - 2013-03-21 10:12:58 UTC
This would be a TERRIBLE idea.

Empire ganks would get 100x worse.

I seriously hope there is more too it than just click "increase sec status" on the tag.

Many people have complained about being -10 and trying to grind up.

1) Using the sec status trick of jumping systems means you can get +1 point of status in about an hour, so cry me a river.

2) They should make it HARDER to come back from -10, it's a massive game choice to take your character into the realms of piracy and lawlessness!

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#37 - 2013-03-21 10:33:10 UTC
Sec status has become redundant anyways. Having a low sec status doesn't prevent much, outside of making you a blinky target. Sec loss and limitations really do need looked at, for example having sec loss removed from lowsec outside of pod kills.

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Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
#38 - 2013-03-21 10:59:06 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:

Grinding up security status to regain access to hisec takes a really long time and is really boring .


Actions in EvE have consequences?

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-03-21 12:03:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebecha Pucontis
RubyPorto wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

The correct analogy for tags-for-sec would be some way to buy and sell characters for ISK... like the Character Bazaar.


Yeah, that was talking for purchasing characters for their increased set of abilities. You have to actually read all the words in a post and the post it's responding to. Context matters.


Ok :)
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-21 12:06:03 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Sec status has become redundant anyways. Having a low sec status doesn't prevent much, outside of making you a blinky target. Sec loss and limitations really do need looked at, for example having sec loss removed from lowsec outside of pod kills.


I would suggest going the opposite way and making sec status more meaningful. Allowing redemption of tags for sec status will just make it even more meaningless than it is right now.