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Titans and dreads. An achievable goal for non-vet pilots?

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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#21 - 2011-10-12 17:11:22 UTC
Fly a freighter around in hi-sec to get a feel for how massively slow a cap ship is.
Soma Khan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-12 17:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Soma Khan
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Soma Khan wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game.
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Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour.

the trick is to actually replace them, as opposed to rmt'ing all your bot income like the nc always did


Well if the NC wasnt doing that, then how would the DRF get their titans?


ouch...

drf had always built their own supercaps from drone alloys that come from the drone regions. hence the name drf. everyone knows that. except you it seems
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-10-12 18:53:15 UTC
The NC sold its supercaps to PL, RaidenDOT, ncDOT, and other non-DRF enemies.

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Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-10-12 19:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Natil Benethid
Palovana wrote:
Fly a freighter around in hi-sec to get a feel for how massively slow a cap ship is.


I already fly an obelisk on my Industrial pilot second account. Yep, it is slow and i am ok with that. I don't like freighters because you can't use modules, rather than because they are big cows.

To get back on topic, since dreads and titans seem to be difficult option, i would like more feedback on carriers and their use in a small corporation.

Can a carriers survive long enough to be worth flying without the protection of a POS bubble? I doubt it does, but since carriers are a common sight in lowsec i guess there is something about them i don't get yet.
A Lunchbox
Basgerin Pirate
#25 - 2011-10-14 03:11:16 UTC
Natil Benethid wrote:
[quote=Palovana] i would like more feedback on carriers and their use in a small corporation.

Can a carriers survive long enough to be worth flying without the protection of a POS bubble? I doubt it does, but since carriers are a common sight in lowsec i guess there is something about them i don't get yet.


Carriers probably have THE best use out of most caps for small corps in lowsec... they're suitcases. Get enough of them together and you can cyno a moderately sized army of pre-fitted ships anywhere you need them without an amazing amount of effort. If you don't move around alot, they still make great rep whores. And no, you don't need a pos to take care of carriers as they can dock (unless you're setting up shop in a system with no stations). If that's not enough, go run some L5's in it and make stupid amounts of isk (relatively speaking - we are discussing a small corporation here).
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-10-14 03:45:19 UTC
To the OP: Having 3 carrier alts myself, i feel as though i can add something meaningful here...

- Yes. It is entirely possible as well as reasonable (and normal) to gun straight for a capital. While getting the experience first is good, it is quite reasonable for you to gain that experience yourself.

- Being in a good corp is paramount. Nothing is more important than a good corp. You be good to them, and they will be good to you. And when i say good, i mean you be good to them by helping whenever you can... light cynos, salvage for corpies, help out in PVP etc. A rich corp will give you the skillbooks you need to get you into a cap.

- Forget gun caps. Dreads are a lot of fun but their niche is tiny. You just don't fly them in anger much at all. Same goes for titans although they are quite a bit more useful. A titan will be your coffin as getting out of it leaves it open to anyone else who wants to get in it. Carriers on the other hand are the most versatile ships in EVE. Cheap for a cap, easy as anything to replace. If you want to get into an Archon/Nid/Thanatos/Chimera, then your corp would be far more willing to help you early on to get you into one.

- For example, a corp i know allows some people in, and if they have been around for long enough for us to know they are trustworthy, then they will give them cap skillbooks. If the person buys their own carrier BPC kit, then the corp will build it for them for free, and throw in all the fittings and drones they need to use it for PVP or PVE.

So if you want to get into a carrier, look for a good corp (in the recruiting section here) and apply to it.

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Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2011-10-14 06:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Natil Benethid
Palovana wrote:


Carriers probably have THE best use out of most caps for small corps in lowsec... they're suitcases. Get enough of them together and you can cyno a moderately sized army of pre-fitted ships anywhere you need them without an amazing amount of effort. If you don't move around alot, they still make great rep whores. And no, you don't need a pos to take care of carriers as they can dock (unless you're setting up shop in a system with no stations). If that's not enough, go run some L5's in it and make stupid amounts of isk (relatively speaking - we are discussing a small corporation here).


Ok that is good to know. Thanks.

Headerman wrote:

- Being in a good corp is paramount. Nothing is more important than a good corp. You be good to them, and they will be good to you. And when i say good, i mean you be good to them by helping whenever you can... light cynos, salvage for corpies, help out in PVP etc. A rich corp will give you the skillbooks you need to get you into a cap.


I am in a good corp to the extend that they will help me out and we really are all about team work. We arn't poor either (and that goes for myself). Our only issue is numbers. If i was going to go for a titan i don't think our forces would be enough to stop a large blob fleet to blow it up. Same goes for a POS in lowsec to protect the titan, we wouldn't have the fire power to protect it long enough.

A carrier or dread should be better qs you said since at the very least i can dock them to safety and take them out when enough of our alliance can escort it.

I do have a question about the dread though. I know there was a time when dreads could take out BC's and BS's. Than the tracking got nerfed to the ground. Still. Isn't really impossible for a dread to hit a target as large as a battle ship nowadays? Are other caps and POS's the only possible targets for it? It's a shame that they are so limited, if at least they could take a few BS's i would think about training for one, but if not than i really don't the point.
Uppsy Daisy
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-14 08:48:18 UTC
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Isn't really impossible for a dread to hit a target as large as a battle ship nowadays? Are other caps and POS's the only possible targets for it?


Yes and Yes.

The only way a dread will hit a battleship is if it is being boosted with tracking links. And you can't boost a sieged dread.

Also they are removing all the drones from dreads.

So yes. POS and Caps are the only targets.

Mart Allini
Lead Farmers
#29 - 2011-10-14 15:07:02 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Quote:
Isn't really impossible for a dread to hit a target as large as a battle ship nowadays? Are other caps and POS's the only possible targets for it?


Yes and Yes.

The only way a dread will hit a battleship is if it is being boosted with tracking links. And you can't boost a sieged dread.

Also they are removing all the drones from dreads.

So yes. POS and Caps are the only targets.



Oh, I don't know. I reckon a sieged dread could hit a battleship that was target painted and tackled if it had a bit of range on it. I would still not recommend one for fighting subcaps though.
AureoLion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-10-14 15:09:27 UTC
proven it's not orbiting at close, a battleship will actually get quite owned by a dreadnought.
With a 90% web, it's gonna get hit fully even at 5km, and that means volleys in the order of 40k.
With a pair of painters, 50-80% of volley at 20+ km is more than feasible, too.
It's just that.. siege is baaaad.
For around 1b, you can have a moros tank 6k (siege'd), while having 2m ehp and 6k dps.
Too bad that you'll get it dropped and DD's the second you try to use it in a battleship engagement.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-10-15 07:42:43 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
The NC sold its supercaps to PL, RaidenDOT, ncDOT, and other non-DRF enemies.


Some went to WN of all people. Nothing quite like being doomsdayed by a titan built by your own alliance.
Sassaniak
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#32 - 2011-10-15 20:34:33 UTC
Dreads can be used by small alliances to great effect, actually much better effect then larger alliances who will just drop supercarriers, ( i still feel stupid saying "supercarrier" when we all know it should be "moms") as a small alliance trying to get someone else out of their space will have to go for the pos's and usually wont have that many moms on hand.

titans, (as an ex-RAGE person, i agree with Mfume Apocal, there is nothing like seeing a titan your alliance made used against you) are very limited in use for a small alliance good for a few things they probably wont be used that much simply because you cant afford to replace them.


Carriers are the backbone of an alliance big or small. they are used to evac your stuff, resupply/attack/defend pos's, bring stuff to markets and of course rat. had i a carrier at the time, i wouldn't have left stuff in rage space now owned by pl and goons.

a dread would not have been nearly as useful but they would have been when i got back to the space i was living in before i joined Rage. several people had moved into the space i wanted to be in and a dread would have expedited their leaving. in several different instances.

but i generally dont have any use for a dread so i still havent built one. a carrier on the other hand is pretty useful in all non hisec applications.


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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-10-16 11:00:38 UTC
Well, you have some answers on if you can / should use them so I'll just chirp in with this:

Supers are tough to get into. You're not going to find many who'll be willing to hand out a 20-70 billion isk hull to a pilot and say "ok - have fun!". They want folks with some experience in capital class ships so plan on spending some time in capitals first.

Get on SiSi and try them out a bit. Bounce around some systems to get a feel for how to get to stations and the like. Docking with capitals is quite doable - figuring out the ranges a cyno should be and how to get docked quickly... That can take some time - usually just after you've failed to dock and bounce half way across the system then get to align and warp in on it.

Bouncing kind of sucks. Recovering from it can be educational and moving around via cyno is kind of important to learn and SiSi is a cheap place to do it with fair safety.

Check out the damage and abilities of the ships there - primarily on NPC's until you get a feel for it, then see about other players.
Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2011-10-16 16:44:42 UTC
Alright,

thank you all for all those replies. Very instructive. I gonna go for carrier and train on sisi first untill i get the hang of it and use it on tranquility.

I gonna see with my alliance if a dread would be worth trying out. Our ennemies have a lot of carriers so a dread might be usefull, you never know.

Thanks again for the feedback.
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#35 - 2011-10-17 02:30:06 UTC
dread yes - even if you have no use for it.
titan - no, they cost a fortune, and take too long to train up for you. . . you will pass 65 mil sp before you start to see how long it will take.
Relnala
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-10-17 03:47:02 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Soma Khan wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game.
.


Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour.

the trick is to actually replace them, as opposed to rmt'ing all your bot income like the nc always did


Well if the NC wasnt doing that, then how would the DRF get their titans?

ouch...

Let me get this straight. The DRF both buys and sells rmt isk.. Seems likely
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