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Titans and dreads. An achievable goal for non-vet pilots?

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Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-10-12 15:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Natil Benethid
Before you start judging me and this topic, this is an alt i am using. Reason being that i prefer to keep this discusion private (to my corporation i mean).

I have 15 million SP combat pilot and i covered a lot of things the game has to offer for a small corporation.

I am getting closer to the point where i can fly what i want to fly well, and must decide what i am going to plan next. Despite not being totally new to eve, The life in 0.0, sovereignity, POS management, Super capital ships are things i didn't look into at first simply because i was way to young to even think about it. I am still months or years from being ready to fly a titan, but i might aswell plan things well ahead.

I'll admit it, i am very interested in capital ships. I very well aware that a dread or titan are nothing more than siege weapons, only effective to defend a POS against other capital ships, or to take down a POS itself. I am also aware of the genreral limitations : needs a lot of logistic to actually move, no docking, the protection of a POS,....

All and all, this isn't something a small corporation can afford, and given the fact that 0.0 is very new corporation unfriendly, i think that the only way i can ever fly one of those ships without getting blown up after 5 minutes is to to join a well established Null sec corporation.

From my understanding... if i want to fly a titan or a dread , i need to join a corporation/alliance that can protect it and actually use it. I don't think coming to a recruitment center and say "Hey, i can fly a titan. Can i join in?" will get me anywhere. Roll

Making plans for a T3 cruiser, or a BS is easy. I can't say the same for super capital ships. So i am asking to those who actually fly dreads or titans in eve :


- How do i even prepare for this? (outside of skill training that is, that i can do on my own)

- How i am suppose to approach a corp to offer my services as a super capital pilot?

- Should i join a 0.0 corp that needs Caps before i even begin the training (They require to fly lower class ships anyway)? Or should i approach those corps only when i am ready to fly the big boat?

- Outside of what i already stated about the requirements and limits of flying a titan. What other things must i be perpared for if i choose this path?

- What kind of support am i to expect from a 0.0 corp? Sure i can save billions of isks over time, but can i expect a corp some material or financial support to build the ship?

- On the same note, what will the said corp expect from me? I don't know like... am i suppose to stay x hours online a day, will i get called on my cellphone at 4 AM to get my guns ready?

- Last but not least. Is that goal achievable for a non-veterant in the first place? Provided that invest the time and effort in it. Are 0.0 based corporations still looking for new dread/titan pilots at all?

- How do you super capital ships pilots got there in the first place? Any tips?


Yes... I like big badass looking ships, i want to fly one for the good of my corporation, and i am not ashamed to say this is one of my goals in eve.

Replies from caps pilots, 0.0 vets will be most appreciated, but i am more than open to everyone's opinion on the matter.
Efraya
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#2 - 2011-10-12 15:56:54 UTC
A 15mill sp toon isn't anywhere near ready for a super. simplez

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Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#3 - 2011-10-12 15:57:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Titans and dreads are strategical assets. You have (shouldn't have) no solo uses for them. Dreads can be used by non-vet pilots but i'd recommend against Titans not only because a non-skilled pilot might **** up with using it and lose it, but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game.

Specially if you're a small alliance.


So getting a titan should be a need before a goal. Don't get a titan if you don't need one.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Rex Nefarius
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-12 15:58:30 UTC
First of all, I'm assuming you mean supercarriers and titans, not dreads and titans. Dreads are not supercapitals, and very much achievable even for non-veterans (not recommended though).
Titans and supercarriers are not just used for POS-fights, but for 0.0 warfare in general. Dreads are not used as much afik, but they used to be the bread amd butter of a POS siege, now it seems it's been taken over by the supercarriers.
Best thing for you is probably to start training for capitals when you have a need for them, and make sure you are in a corp with other capital pilots.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#5 - 2011-10-12 15:58:57 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game.
.


Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-12 16:01:15 UTC
Make money. Buy a character. It's not all that hard.

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Myxx
The Scope
#7 - 2011-10-12 16:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Myxx
if you want a supercap, be prepared to have to manage starbases and multiple accounts. get another account with the min skills to hold whatever ship you fly if its a supercap, this is so that you can switch corps without losing your ship in epic failure. also, alt corps for those characters wouldn't hurt either.

also, alts for cyno chains, freighters for fuel or whatever else... im missing a lot, but theres more to flying a supercap than a single pilot.

also as mentioned above you're going to need a lot of money and a lot of regular income.
Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#8 - 2011-10-12 16:01:50 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game.
.


Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour.


They lose because they are known to be able to afford losing them, so they can afford being more reckless with them.

An alliance who loses something they cannot afford to lose is not a very respectable alliance..

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-10-12 16:02:08 UTC
Efraya wrote:
A 15mill sp toon isn't anywhere near ready for a super. simplez



Did i say i am ready? I think not. That doesn't mean i can't inform myself even if i can't fly one before months or years of SP training. The 15 Million SP statement isn't to say that i am ready to fly a super, it's just to say that i am not a week old toon that says "i want to fly a Titan". I Know the basics about eve, and that's what i wanted to say there.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2011-10-12 16:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Smoking Blunts
dont bother with scaps there soon to be very dull, dont bother with dreads they are only for shooting pos's, and even after the 'changes' are pretty worthless even for that

just cross train sub caps and if you really wnat a cap, carriers will be the only useful combat cap that i personally woudl recommend anyone bothers with anymore

OMG when can i get a pic here

Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#11 - 2011-10-12 16:06:22 UTC
Natil Benethid wrote:
Efraya wrote:
A 15mill sp toon isn't anywhere near ready for a super. simplez



Did i say i am ready? I think not. That doesn't mean i can't inform myself even if i can't fly one before months or years of SP training. The 15 Million SP statement isn't to say that i am ready to fly a super, it's just to say that i am not a week old toon that says "i want to fly a Titan". I Know the basics about eve, and that's what i wanted to say there.


Not exactly. There are 80m SP players who lived all of their lives in high-sec, low sec and some null space who knows nothing about titans.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-10-12 16:09:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
titan-capable applicants are a dime the dozen, it's titan pilots with ship that are in high demand.

first figure out how you will make 60-70b for the ship, then do the same for a little longer to buy a pilot character (20-30b ISK)

As some people have demonstrated it definitely is possible to make the ~100b in a few months even as a fairly new player but for the vast majority of players ISK will be a problem.

Wasting a huge amount of SP if you will lack the money to actually get the ship once you are done training is pointless.
First solve the ISK issue, once you have the ISK and are still determined to go ahead buy the SP you need.

(and don't lock your main into a space coffin)
Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-10-12 16:14:36 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Natil Benethid wrote:
Efraya wrote:
A 15mill sp toon isn't anywhere near ready for a super. simplez



Did i say i am ready? I think not. That doesn't mean i can't inform myself even if i can't fly one before months or years of SP training. The 15 Million SP statement isn't to say that i am ready to fly a super, it's just to say that i am not a week old toon that says "i want to fly a Titan". I Know the basics about eve, and that's what i wanted to say there.


Not exactly. There are 80m SP players who lived all of their lives in high-sec, low sec and some null space who knows nothing about titans.


yep, and am one of them .. er... Ignorants about titans i mean... not the 80m sp part.

Let's just say that i wanted to avoid comments like "big dosn't mean better", "a frigate can me more usefull", "You can't use one solo" ect... I already know these. Still, people seem to keep hammering my head with them. Shocked
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#14 - 2011-10-12 16:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Natil Benethid wrote:
Let's just say that i wanted to avoid comments like "big dosn't mean better", "a frigate can me more usefull", "You can't use one solo" ect... I already know these. Still, people seem to keep hammering my head with them. Shocked

Thats because so many current supercap pilots don't seem to understand this concept of not being able to fly soloLol

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#15 - 2011-10-12 16:16:42 UTC
double post

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2011-10-12 16:18:51 UTC
Alright lots of feedback. Thank your for your comments.

Judging for what i see here, titans and dreads while achievable goals, are not worth the effort.

Read about carriers being very good fleet support ships. Is it true? Can it be achievable for a small alliance in lowsec?
Garbad theWeak
#17 - 2011-10-12 16:19:24 UTC
- How do i even prepare for this?

1. Get a carrier. and learn to fly it in pvp without dying, including jump drive use, docking games, etc.
2. Become trusted in a 0.0 pvp corp.
3. Earn massive amounts of isk.
4. Train/buy a perfect SP char.

- How i am suppose to approach a corp to offer my services as a super capital pilot?

Just apply. Cap pilots are always in demand.

- Should i join a 0.0 corp that needs Caps before i even begin the training (They require to fly lower class ships anyway)? Or should i approach those corps only when i am ready to fly the big boat?

Now. Prove yourself in subcaps, learn 0.0 culture, gain trust/respect. Move into a cap and do the same.

- Outside of what i already stated about the requirements and limits of flying a titan. What other things must i be perpared for if i choose this path?
a year's worth of training and 1 bil will put you in a dread/carrier. That's your goal. Titan is a 3 year goal.

[b]- What kind of support am i to expect from a 0.0 corp? Sure i can save billions of isks over time, but can i expect a corp some material or financial support to build the ship?
Most corps have a cap replacement/building program. Ask around on your corp of choice.

- On the same note, what will the said corp expect from me? I don't know like... am i suppose to stay x hours online a day, will i get called on my cellphone at 4 AM to get my guns ready?
Pretty much to play a lot, be completely trustworthy, etc.

- Last but not least. Is that goal achievable for a non-veterant in the first place? Provided that invest the time and effort in it. Are 0.0 based corporations still looking for new dread/titan pilots at all?
No, supercaps are well beyond your reach. Carrier is in your reach in ~6 months. Or buy an alt for ~10b.

Carrier should be your first goal tho.
Soma Khan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-12 16:26:45 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game.
.


Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour.

the trick is to actually replace them, as opposed to rmt'ing all your bot income like the nc always did
Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#19 - 2011-10-12 16:30:28 UTC
Soma Khan wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game.
.


Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour.

the trick is to actually replace them, as opposed to rmt'ing all your bot income like the nc always did


Well if the NC wasnt doing that, then how would the DRF get their titans?


ouch...

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Djakku
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-12 16:36:28 UTC
ITT:

People who don't believe in themselves.

Solodread is BEST dread.

These ships are a realistic goal for any player in EVE, just so long as you either have your own ISK to fund them, or a corporation or alliance to support you.
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