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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#381 - 2013-07-24 15:06:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
Eida La wrote:
Looking to try something new; is anyone willing to take a look at my character and give me an idea of how to train and a rough timeline until a FC would find me relevant? Obviously, I have limited experience with BS size ships.

edit: I'm willing to train towards Logi as well if that is a high-demand role for Incursions.
edit2: Looks like I'm not THAT far away from being able to fly a Scimitar decently (18d); are these used in enough Incursion fleets to make it worth training into?

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Eida_La

I know it seems like a lot of posts to read through, so I will drop some links to the posts where The Djego answered this with a lot of detail and helpful advise.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3313911#post3313911
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3314437#post3314437

Additionally some other posts by number that were relevant to Logi.
Post number in this thread.
#58 - #60, #62 - #63, #65, #87, #91 - #93, #203 - #206. #229 - #235 #241 - #242, #345 -,#349

As DTson Gauur pointed out you will need Logistics 5 trained to be useful to most fleets, particularly in a Scimi the PG and recharge times are really sensitive to that skill on purpose. But if your willing to put tin the time to train it I know there are many communities looking to add more reliable Logi's to their ranks.

In short; Train it and you will find plenty of Fleet and ISK opportunities.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#382 - 2013-07-30 09:31:52 UTC
Bump

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Leroy Jen-kins
R I 0 T
R I O T
#383 - 2013-07-31 14:19:28 UTC
Please not that TVP although they have tengus in there mailing list the chances of gettin in a fleet is 5% and soon they will be pushed out of the list all together .

So whats a tengu pilot to do to get into a incursion

A: Cross Train
B: fly something to please them
C: just hand them your char

Thats right see they say train skills to fly a battleship to fly a faction fitted navy or faction battleship .

Yet ppl seem to forget what if we dont wanna train for these what gives these ppl the right to tell us to train for certain ships maybe a new incursion channel should be opened where everyone can get the chance to join a incursion because its rather 1 sided argument atm
Blizzaro
Vahalla La
Rainbow Knights
#384 - 2013-07-31 17:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Blizzaro
Leroy Jen-kins wrote:
Please not that TVP although they have tengus in there mailing list the chances of gettin in a fleet is 5% and soon they will be pushed out of the list all together .

So whats a tengu pilot to do to get into a incursion

A: Cross Train
B: fly something to please them
C: just hand them your char

Thats right see they say train skills to fly a battleship to fly a faction fitted navy or faction battleship .

Yet ppl seem to forget what if we dont wanna train for these what gives these ppl the right to tell us to train for certain ships maybe a new incursion channel should be opened where everyone can get the chance to join a incursion because its rather 1 sided argument atm


Why would you not want to earn isk quicker?

Why would you not want to be in an optimal ship?

I don't understand.

Edit: Oh wait I do you bought the toon for 3 bill flying a tengu a couple of days ago and expect to be given a free isk pass.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#385 - 2013-07-31 18:25:09 UTC
Leroy Jen-kins wrote:
Thats right see they say train skills to fly a battleship to fly a faction fitted navy or faction battleship .

Yet ppl seem to forget what if we dont wanna train for these what gives these ppl the right to tell us to train for certain ships

It's a channel run by a group of players. They have the right to demand that new pilots fly Echelons and sing showtunes to get in fleets if they really want to. You're under no obligation to do what they tell you to do, but they're under no obligation to accept you into their fleets. If you don't like the way they run things, find a different group. There are lots of them out there. If you don't like the way any of them do things, you're free to start your own.

Blizzaro wrote:
Why would you not want to earn isk quicker?

Why would you not want to be in an optimal ship?

I don't understand.

Incursions are just one of many things competing for training time in this game. Can't really blame someone for having their own priorities. (Hint: sometimes fun trumps ISK.)
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#386 - 2013-07-31 19:52:52 UTC
Leroy Jen-kins, Sorry to hear TVP is phasing out Tengu’s I can only imagine the TVP leadership is having to make some hard choices about fleet ships in order to protect their community from the contest nature Incursions have taken on. I can’t remember what post I addressed this issue in previously but it was back a few pages; basically TVP is modifying their tactics to match other communities (Assumption I haven’t spoken to DaisyCutter or anyone from TVP in a month) as a Tengu has a high probability of losing some DPS to instant damage turrets, and they have a max DPS a few hundred below most BS’s and a full 1000 below a Vindicator I can only assume TVP is rightly trying to fill the spot in fleet with the most DPS available. Unfortunate for Tengu pilots but necessary I am sure.

But this might be an opportunity to start a Tengu community, I know they can do VG’s and possibly even be solid performers in Assaults (NCN’s would still require a BS wing) who knows this might be your opportunity to break into the ‘’New Incursion community’’ trend we seem to see every week. If you do, let me know, I will add your group to the OP and direct T3 pilots your way.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Keira Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
You've got RED on you
#387 - 2013-07-31 20:06:36 UTC
X up for the VGs in that Tengu, TVP were running them earlier but people would rather wait for a rare spot in an HQ fleet while making ZERO ISK and the VG fleet fizzled out.

I don't understand the thinking, if you want to make ISK, carry VG fits with you to main systems, if you can't get into the HQ, change up and go have some casual Incursion time, WHILE MAKING ISK.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#388 - 2013-08-02 21:40:47 UTC
Leroy Jen-kins wrote:
Please not that TVP although they have tengus in there mailing list the chances of gettin in a fleet is 5% and soon they will be pushed out of the list all together .



Tengus have a place. It is not really incursions, with the exception of NCNs. They deal subpar DPS at standard DPS ranges. They can no longer snipe. They aren't nearly as good at drone bunnying as 6 gun arty lokis, especially if you run triple web or dual web + SeBo. They don't usually carry many mods to help the fleet for non-contest fleets, and most cruisers/frigs can speed tank their missiles if allowed to MWD without being webbed.

Train a loki. They're cool. or a dual web shield bhaal, the FC's will lol and then maybe let you fly it. Or a windi. Or a nightmare. Or heck, any of the t1 combat battleships if you're cheap or low SP.

Speaking of which, any intel people are willing to share on tests of dual web bhaalgorns with officer webs?

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#389 - 2013-08-04 11:24:18 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Brainstorm Stormrage wrote:
I recently started training toward incrusions. To have a better chance of getting into a fleet, should I first focus on sniper fits or DPS fits? Also anyone have links to Amarr BS fits that I should aim toward?

Edit: NVM about fittings. Found this site: http://www.tdf-theditanianfleet.org/

May be linking the appropriate community's website in the original post will help people.

Didn't know they had a site, added the Link to the OP, thanks.

Any other communities with Home page links please drop them in here and I will get them added to the OP.


Warp to Me Incursions has a homepage (soon™ to include forums!) at Warptome.com

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#390 - 2013-08-04 11:33:52 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Brainstorm Stormrage wrote:
I recently started training toward incrusions. To have a better chance of getting into a fleet, should I first focus on sniper fits or DPS fits? Also anyone have links to Amarr BS fits that I should aim toward?

Edit: NVM about fittings. Found this site: http://www.tdf-theditanianfleet.org/

May be linking the appropriate community's website in the original post will help people.

Didn't know they had a site, added the Link to the OP, thanks.

Any other communities with Home page links please drop them in here and I will get them added to the OP.


Warp to Me Incursions has a homepage (soon™ to include forums!) at Warptome.com

Added, let me know if it changes.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Selkak
The SIX Group
#391 - 2013-08-05 02:28:54 UTC
Greetings Incursion people,

Im looking to get involved with incursions due to the fact that i am falling asleep doing lvl 4 missions. Literally falling asleep.
Im looking for a fleet that can help get on my feet and start learning the ropes of incursions, a more casual minded fleet would be best due to crazy work schedules. Shield or armor doesnt matter to me, i can do both.

Thanks ahead of time all!
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#392 - 2013-08-05 06:11:19 UTC
Selkak wrote:
Greetings Incursion people,

Im looking to get involved with incursions due to the fact that i am falling asleep doing lvl 4 missions. Literally falling asleep.
Im looking for a fleet that can help get on my feet and start learning the ropes of incursions, a more casual minded fleet would be best due to crazy work schedules. Shield or armor doesnt matter to me, i can do both.

Thanks ahead of time all!


Sounds like Warp to Me is the best fit for you, as its a casual training community.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#393 - 2013-08-07 22:04:27 UTC
Bump and shameless plug!

Tomorrow, I will be fitting as many battleships for shield incursions as possible, discussing it on coms for the whole time. Spending most of the day discussing fitting on a set of coms to be determined. All are welcome, and the in game channel and mailing list for the information on where and exactly when its starting is "Baboli Fitting Yards".

Please note, my general doctrine and background is with training communities, so shiny will be minimal on this run of fitting, and tank will be emphasized to a moderate degree.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Syreck
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#394 - 2013-08-11 08:12:34 UTC
I'm looking to get into Incursions like most everyone in this thread haha, I've come back after a bit of a hiatus I assume all you really need to know for these are just basic game mechanics, broad casting, angular velocity and what not for best turret dps? I can fly a vindi and have the liquid isk to be able to fit one out pretty decently but I'm in AU timezone so I'm not sure where to start looking, preferable my timezone and newbie friendly.
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#395 - 2013-08-11 11:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
TDF(armor) had 3 gangs during AU time zone yesterday(including one mwd fleet with 3-4 Vindis and 1-2 Kronos) and they use a lot of Vindicators\Kronos\NavyMega\Mega hulls for slow boat\mwd fleets in general. I also think TVP(shield) runs 23/7 with her HQ fleets.

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Tama Rens
Dedicated Inactivity
#396 - 2013-08-13 03:24:50 UTC
I've been out of game for some time now. I used to run incursions in a Mach fit with T2 800s, but this was back when the VG sites could be blitzed. A friend told me things have changed since I last played...

Anyway, I've come back and thought I might give incursions another go. In skimming the thread, I gather Machs are now preferred to sport artys? I remember seeing a fair share of Nightmares when I ran ages ago, and I see those are still popular along with Vindicators...

So, what is THE ship for running VGs? I've got all racial BS at 5, and all T2 gun specs at 4. Possible a kind soul posts the standard Mach/Nightmare/Vindi fits for me? I currently own a Mach I can play around with, and I've got a Nightmare too. No Vindi, but I could be persuaded to get one if it's THE ship to fly.

Appreciate the info as I try to get my incursion legs back under me.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#397 - 2013-08-13 05:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
Tama Rens wrote:
So, what is THE ship for running VGs?

Different groups have different preferred fits, your best source for fits will be to find the group that runs during your particular game time and check their MOTD for a fitting list. For example TVP runs pretty much 23/7 but they focus on HQ's more than VG's. ISN runs in the EU afternoon till midnight usually and they start as VG's but usually end up doing HQ's. I believe WTM and ICU are running VG's but I haven't kept track of their operating times, all of these groups have a different preferred fitting so you will need to get in their public chats and look at the MOTD or ask for a current fit.

Edit; I could link the fits I'm aware of but they take up a lot of room, and start a troll feeding frenzy that takes a week to resolve :) suffice it to say get all resists above 70% (60% if your flying with a group that runs an OGB) and leave yourself enough buffer to feel comfortable. This can usually be Done with a Pith-A Invul or two T2 Invuls and of course a rig to fill the EM hole.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Oxide Ammar
#398 - 2013-08-13 07:52:00 UTC
Selkak wrote:
Greetings Incursion people,

Im looking to get involved with incursions due to the fact that i am falling asleep doing lvl 4 missions. Literally falling asleep.
Im looking for a fleet that can help get on my feet and start learning the ropes of incursions, a more casual minded fleet would be best due to crazy work schedules. Shield or armor doesnt matter to me, i can do both.

Thanks ahead of time all!


Just be careful that incursion starts to get boring more and more since you will keep doing the same sites over and over, getting asleep or afk for 30 sec can risk you losing a shiney ship.

LOL I miss my days in Rokh although I was doing max dps in it, but rarely was getting aggro. I literally can go make myself sandwich or coffee and come back with no dent on it, since I got myself a Vindi I can't even turn my face to watch TV while doing incursion. I saw many people losing 10+ bill worth pirate ships because they got sloppy.

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Silver Getsuga
Liber Primus
#399 - 2013-08-14 12:40:34 UTC
Hello, I'm really new to the game. Haven't even started training any T2 weapons, got my missile and turret supports almost the same.

So I'm wondering what ships/weapon system I should aim for shield fleets. DPS and DPS projection of the Nightmare looks better than Machariel's on paper. So basically they get invites for speed (mtac thingy) and alpha (winning contested sites) and because there are not enough Nightmares around, is that correct? Are there any other differences?

Also, there is the Vindicator. What's his role in Incurions? What's the percentage of Vindis in ideal fleet?

Would you personally train for NM, Mach or Vindi given you're at 0 skills and you got plenty of Incursions expirience? And why?

I got only Drake experience so far. So got no emotional response to a particular turret weapon system. So all I care for now is effectiveness.

Thank you in advance.
Sir John Halsey
#400 - 2013-08-14 17:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir John Halsey
Hi.

Since i started playing EVE i trained my skills going for missiles and Caldari ships.
Now, i want to try incursions so, my skills are most likely bad :)
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sir_John_Halsey

The question i have is: with Odyssey 1.1 and the changes to medium guns, HACs and CS, will it be worth flying an Eagle or a Rail Tengu into incursions?

Or my best bet is to train for a sniping Rokh?

Ah, one more thing... is this http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=fit&id=367
Is it worth investing in this hull and flying it in incursions?