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Yea no S**t Sherlock. I didn't say they needed to be the same. I'm not even saying its bad (too early to tell). It just seems interesting that with the shield tanked ships and ASB, no cap eqauals ASB boost and guns (capless weapons). While the traditionally armor tanked ships and AAB, no cap equals no tank and no guns.

now obviously its not that cut and dry. Which is why i wasn't saying its necessarily good or bad (till it gets some actual play time). Just interesting.

"Not particularly struggles to read" lmao
this thread is Tippia's Buster Douglas

…in the sense that the OP is stunningly upset (to borrow the phrase from google) that he has to prove his point, yes.

But then, had he actually provided something that needed reading, who knows what might have happened.

Me not saying anything isn't the same thing as me saying something and you pretending I didn't. An AAR costs more than an ASB, heals less and uses cap while the ASB doesn't. You have yet to name a single advantage for AARs, much less show that they're equal. You have yet to address a single thing anyone has said to you with something relevant. All you've done is change the subject and/or strawman. Talking to you is pointless and this is the last time I'm doing it.


'Not penalized' and 'improved' aren't the same thing. Even without a penalty for an active armor tank a shield tanker still has more mobility anyway. How does that make up for anything?

Of course it is!

His problem, and that of many others, is that he sees some kind of competition going on between armor and shield tanker where there is none. These are two different technologies for different slots and anyone can use either of them or even both at the same time.

Shield tankers have the higher boost rate and they have the DPS modules working on their side. Armor tankers have e-war and propulsion mods working for them.

But many players have this misconception that tank'n'gank should be a tactic available to both types of tanks, not only to shield tanking, and to allow them to reduce their fitting choices down to a choice of colours - like girls in a dress shop deciding over which colour makes them look more sexy; is it the red dress or the black dress?!

It is childish. They either need to grow up or get out.

What they ignore is that there is more than tank'n'gank and that it has e-war. For example... projectile weapons consist mostly of a long fall-off and posses little optimal range. A single tracking disruptor will reduce the fall-off by 50% and thereby reduces the effective DPS by just as much. What takes an armor tanker here a single mid-slot in order to do requires two low-slots on the shield tanker to counter for it.

Minmatar shield tankers have figured this out a long time ago and so they always fit TEs next to gyros.

If everyone knew how to fit their ships right and how to fly them then we had no explosions in EVE.

It is fair. HTFU.

I said you already knew. Which meant I didn't need to tell you, but nevertheless did. My saying that you knew it would not be linked to MY not knowing it, even if I didn't know it. Which I don't, because I know it. And so do you.

I am very busy but I can keep at this all day long. And while I hope there is a very special and uncomfortable place in hell for those who try and pass unconnected consequences as logical steps and conclusions of their arguments, you still haven't tackled any of my points other than value.

Oh, and saying that the Proteus has not completely substituted the Thorax because of "availiability" instead of COST is so stupidly stupid that I can't figure out why a good poster such as you has come up with that bull****.

Availiability has NOTHING to do with it. It's PRICE. It's COST. Is there a lack of Proteus SELL ORDERS as of lately that the player base has not detected somehow? Tippia seems to suggest that people fly Thorax instead of Proteus because there are not enough Proteus around.



Again, you fail. If the AAR can keep itself injected, SO CAN THE ASB, which incidentally will have more mids and surprise! If you have no charges but still have cap, the ASB works just the same. Not the AAR though.

Also, armor tanking ships use active hardeners just as much as shield tanking ones. Shield tanks just happen to love extenders, which (unlike plates) allow them to keep their speed and agility.

Ships like Shield gank Brutix, cookie cutter Vagabond, 425mm shield Hurricane, X-ASB Sleipnir, Cyclone, Cynabal, and a LONG etcetera don't ever come near the vicinities of active shield hardeners. Again, you take a problem and try to pass it for "specially crippling" to shield tanks, which is false.



LOL. Is that what you have to say? Armor tankers cannot fit more than one of the module in question, the AAR. So their burst tank capabilities are not even remotely comparable to those of a ship equipped with multiple ASBs.

Also, you deliberately ignore oversized ASBs in smaller ships.



On the contrary. I am making claims based on actual EFT and combat stats, and supported by other users noted for their understanding of combat mechanics, like Liang Nuren.

You are dismissing those claims WITHOUT supporting your opinion with stats. Because you cannot, simply as that.

Alot of themeparkers in this thread. They think this is blizzard forums.

Hey, so I realize you've been arguing with Tippia and want to score meaningless pedantic points, but let's try to have a reasonable conversation ok? You're splitting a pedantic hair for no ******* reason. Armor mobility IS improved over historic levels. Saying that (active) shield mobility is superior is a dubious claim and relies on far more than simply what style of tanking someone chose.

-Liang

Why are you complaining ? You now have an AAR, AND the Reactive Armor Hardener, you are not limited by cargo space like for cap charges. Your AAR doesn't empty your capacitor in two cycles as it does with the ASB if you forget to turn it off when it runs out of ammo...

Armor tanking is receiving a lot of buffs tomorrow, stop complaining and enjoy the game.

You sound like babies : Never happy, always you want more, more, more...

I don't know if this is realistically true anymore. The biggest down side to active armor tanking has always been the rig penalties that slow you down. The buff to fittings and the ability to burst tank like a triple rep setup is pretty boss too. You're making mountains out of molehills.

-Liang