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ALUCARD 1208
Death by Design.
Fraternity.
#121 - 2013-03-13 18:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cearain wrote:


And we have already gone through all the reasons that farming was bigger then including no requirement that rats be killed, and the much higher pay, all of which had nothing to do with the actual cash out model.




so farmers didnt flip flop from side to side to whichever had the most systems to farm? and push them to vulnerable for the real fw to flipOopsOopsOops also dint people put alts into opposing militias to flip there own bunkers??


yeah ppl realy cared there


what game have you been playing for the past year mate
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Spaceship Bebop
#122 - 2013-03-13 18:57:06 UTC
Cearain wrote:
So you knew where these guys were running plexes yesterday? Then tell me what system(s) they were running plexes in.
Actually, since the Caldari hit Tier 2 they've all disappeared. If I (or a group of us) were interested in those particular players (we're not), we'd use a locator agent. Then we'd roam out to where they are and start harassing them.

But, I, like the French (and therefore the Gallente militia), am not too concerned about these terrorists taking over empty space. Only when they start reaching populated centers do our guys feel like they need to muster up the energy needed to run them out.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#123 - 2013-03-13 19:01:59 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cearain wrote:


And we have already gone through all the reasons that farming was bigger then including no requirement that rats be killed, and the much higher pay, all of which had nothing to do with the actual cash out model.




so farmers didnt flip flop from side to side to whichever had the most systems to farm?????OopsOopsOops

what game have you been playing for the past year mate


And that was caused by the cashout system? So no one does that now right?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

ALUCARD 1208
Death by Design.
Fraternity.
#124 - 2013-03-13 19:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
i think you missed out the important bit about using alts to flip there own systems there mate if occupancy meant that much then its a strange way of showing it


and ofc flip flopping was caused by the cash out system it wasnt happening before was it?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#125 - 2013-03-13 19:08:58 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
So you knew where these guys were running plexes yesterday? Then tell me what system(s) they were running plexes in.
Actually, since the Caldari hit Tier 2 they've all disappeared. If I (or a group of us) were interested in those particular players (we're not), we'd use a locator agent. Then we'd roam out to where they are and start harassing them.


Your not interested in occupancy outside of the few systems you base out of. Thats why you don't care that the best occupancy pilots are carebears.

X Gallentius wrote:

But, I, like the French (and therefore the Gallente militia), am not too concerned about these terrorists taking over empty space. Only when they start reaching populated centers do our guys feel like they need to muster up the energy needed to run them out.



Well you could or you could just wait until they leave and defensive plex when local is clear. Or yes you could have a null sec style test to see who can summon the largest blob in system.



Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#126 - 2013-03-13 19:10:14 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
i think you missed out the important bit about using alts to flip there own systems there mate


and ofc flip flopping was caused by the cash out system it wasnt happening before was it?



No I didn't. It rarely happened and when it did it proved to be foolish to do that. People do stupid things all the time in eve that doesn't mean we need to change the mechanics so they don't continue to do them.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

ALUCARD 1208
Death by Design.
Fraternity.
#127 - 2013-03-13 19:12:23 UTC
trust me i think ull find it happened more than you think
ALUCARD 1208
Death by Design.
Fraternity.
#128 - 2013-03-13 19:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
it was actually a good tactic once it got to vuln flip it to stop the opposing side farming the fk outa it past vulnerable for weeks till they decided theyd got enough lp and it was time flip and cash out......
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Spaceship Bebop
#129 - 2013-03-13 19:22:06 UTC
RavenTesio wrote:
the warzone atleast on the Caldari-Gallente side is starting to look like a damn ghost town;


Last month QCATS got over 3000 kills, an all time record.

This month QCATS is on track to blow through last month's record.

Definitely doesn't seem like a ghost town to me - a ghost town was before all these changes when I would regularly roam 30 jumps in my drake to find a single fight.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Spaceship Bebop
#130 - 2013-03-13 19:23:28 UTC
Cearain wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
i think you missed out the important bit about using alts to flip there own systems there mate


and ofc flip flopping was caused by the cash out system it wasnt happening before was it?



No I didn't. It rarely happened and when it did it proved to be foolish to do that. People do stupid things all the time in eve that doesn't mean we need to change the mechanics so they don't continue to do them.


It rarely happenned because people were still training Dread alts - thankfully they fixed the system before we saw major dread alt usage.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Spaceship Bebop
#131 - 2013-03-13 19:27:39 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So what type of ship should somebody be required to bring to a plex if nobody shows up to contest them?


I don't want to require any types of ships. Do you?

I am posting facts that the most effective occupancy plexers do not have to pvp. This may be good news for people who don't like pvp but for those few of us who wanted fw to be a pvp mechanic it may be disappointing.



I have a third account that just defensively spins button all night while I am playing eve and LoL. If someone shows up, my alt doesn't fight, but I respond rapidly.

So, pvp is required to allow my alt to defend the system. Yes, it means I have an alt to spin buttons once the people attacking give up so I don't have to sit there on my main. I'm not particularly fond of that, but until they remove the docking denial mechanic I'll keep doing it.
ALUCARD 1208
Death by Design.
Fraternity.
#132 - 2013-03-13 19:28:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
chatgris wrote:
Cearain wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
i think you missed out the important bit about using alts to flip there own systems there mate


and ofc flip flopping was caused by the cash out system it wasnt happening before was it?



No I didn't. It rarely happened and when it did it proved to be foolish to do that. People do stupid things all the time in eve that doesn't mean we need to change the mechanics so they don't continue to do them.


It rarely happenned because people were still training Dread alts - thankfully they fixed the system before we saw major dread alt usage.



ahhhhh we was in minmatar at the time those doods were doing it in dessie hoards it took ages but worked in the grand scheme of the plan. I just assumed u guys were doing the same i heard ud done some didnt know how many
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Spaceship Bebop
#133 - 2013-03-13 20:09:19 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Cearain wrote:

Your not interested in occupancy outside of the few systems you base out of. Thats why you don't care that the best occupancy pilots are carebears.
I don't know about that. I know that as one player my influence and time for fun are limited, so I choose to use both where I can get fights. Farmers don't give fights. If the pvp dries up, I'm sure I'll find some time to go grief them like I used to do with Caldari FW mission runners.

Cearain wrote:

Well you could or you could just wait until they leave and defensive plex when local is clear. Or yes you could have a null sec style test to see who can summon the largest blob in system.
I could, but choose not to. Defending and attacking populated areas are higher on our list of priorities. Resources are limited, afterall.

Try not to worry so much about how others play a part of the game you're not. o/ later. See ya. Have fun being a pirate.
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Spaceship Bebop
#134 - 2013-03-13 20:12:35 UTC
chatgris wrote:
I have a third account that just defensively spins button all night while I am playing eve and LoL. If someone shows up, my alt doesn't fight, but I respond rapidly.

So, pvp is required to allow my alt to defend the system. Yes, it means I have an alt to spin buttons once the people attacking give up so I don't have to sit there on my main. I'm not particularly fond of that, but until they remove the docking denial mechanic I'll keep doing it.
So what you're saying is that the Caldari know exactly where your alt is, but they can't really do anything about it because they can't win at pvp?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#135 - 2013-03-13 21:11:44 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Cearain wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
i think you missed out the important bit about using alts to flip there own systems there mate


and ofc flip flopping was caused by the cash out system it wasnt happening before was it?



No I didn't. It rarely happened and when it did it proved to be foolish to do that. People do stupid things all the time in eve that doesn't mean we need to change the mechanics so they don't continue to do them.


It rarely happenned because people were still training Dread alts - thankfully they fixed the system before we saw major dread alt usage.



Thats was not the issue from what I was hearing at all.

The one confirmed time that minmatar did this, that system simply contributed to the amarr's one and only tier 4 cashout. Thanks for the help minmatar. In otherwords it backfired.

Given how the lp market crashed its unlikely people would be putting dreads in the enemy militia to do this now. If you want to call the lp market crashing and nerfing the lp payouts a fix ok, but that has nothing to do with the "cash out" mechanic versus the current "forever grind" mechanic.

Fact is, the cash out system meant people paid attention to occupancy outside of 5 or 6 systems. Even your corp joined minmatar due to the occupancy mechanics. That is a far cry from the current system that no one cares about.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#136 - 2013-03-13 21:15:27 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
trust me i think ull find it happened more than you think



Your posts are completely unreliable, from your ridiculous claims about veshta never being in faction war, to your complete botching of the history of changes that happened in faction war. Why should I trust you?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#137 - 2013-03-13 21:24:08 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
chatgris wrote:
I have a third account that just defensively spins button all night while I am playing eve and LoL. If someone shows up, my alt doesn't fight, but I respond rapidly.

So, pvp is required to allow my alt to defend the system. Yes, it means I have an alt to spin buttons once the people attacking give up so I don't have to sit there on my main. I'm not particularly fond of that, but until they remove the docking denial mechanic I'll keep doing it.
So what you're saying is that the Caldari know exactly where your alt is, but they can't really do anything about it because they can't win at pvp?



Yeah right. I'm still waiting for you to tell me where the top five vp earners were plexing yesterday. I know you were online. But you just can't admit you in fact don't know where people are plexing. Knowing where people are plexing is the basic first step "showing up to contest the plex."

Like you say:

X Gallentius wrote:

KEY POINT - Nobody shows up to contest the plex.
Again: KEY POINT - Nobody shows up to contest the plex.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Spaceship Bebop
#138 - 2013-03-13 21:29:29 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Fact is, the cash out system meant people paid attention to occupancy outside of 5 or 6 systems. Even your corp joined minmatar due to the occupancy mechanics. That is a far cry from the current system that no one cares about.

It meant people cared about occupancy 1-4 days a month or whatever it took to flip all the systems en-mass. Otherwise, people still didn't care what happened in far off non-home systems.

You liked the old system, not because it was based on any sort of rational game play that resulted in people fighting for occupancy all over the map (which I guess is what you prefer since you've whined about us not doing so for about 3 months now), but because you thought it favored your side. It was a way for your side to be able to cash out at Tier 5 while giving a big F.U. to the Minmatar at the same time.

Plans were made by the Gallente militia (before the "October surprise") to move all of our capital pilot alts into the Caldari militia to force them into Tier 5 early enough for our side to flip it back before Retribution was released. Even planning on doing things like this shows everybody what lousy mechanic the Inferno version was compared to the current version.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#139 - 2013-03-13 21:30:42 UTC
Cearain wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
i think you missed out the important bit about using alts to flip there own systems there mate


and ofc flip flopping was caused by the cash out system it wasnt happening before was it?



No I didn't. It rarely happened and when it did it proved to be foolish to do that. People do stupid things all the time in eve that doesn't mean we need to change the mechanics so they don't continue to do them.


At this moment i have more state pro LP than fedef LP from flipping gallente systems to caldari in a shell corp. Also, it worked out perfectly well, enabling us to start stacking up vuln caldari systems for a tier push well before they would otherwise have been available.

Does it take effort to be wrong on nearly every topic or is it a talent?

I have the distinct impression that you are in a sheltered bubble with no real understanding of what has, is, or will be happening in fw.

Feel free to keep swinging and missing though.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#140 - 2013-03-13 21:34:08 UTC
chatgris wrote:
RavenTesio wrote:
the warzone atleast on the Caldari-Gallente side is starting to look like a damn ghost town;


Last month QCATS got over 3000 kills, an all time record.

This month QCATS is on track to blow through last month's record.

Definitely doesn't seem like a ghost town to me - a ghost town was before all these changes when I would regularly roam 30 jumps in my drake to find a single fight.



I was surprised to see that. I went over to caldari gallente space the last two nights and they were pretty slow. I even checked your corps and XGs corps killboard to see if you guys were getting fewer kills XGs corp seemed to be getting fewer kills but your corp is getting a huge number of kills.

It may have just been a coincidental dry patch and I am not as familiar with that part of the zone as you. Also I haven't been using alts to help find fights. I have just been running pure solo so that might have something to do with it too.

But I will say I was using dotlan maps for kills and other than a 2 or 3 systems the caldari gallente map was looking pretty sad.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Caldari_VS_Gallente#kills

Vast majority are white systems showing zero or only 1 kill. Just a few systems that seem hot.

I was getting allot more action in the minmatar amarr front.

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