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Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-18 01:46:34 UTC
..The MD forums are suffering from a serious failure to launch syndrome:

Arrow Bonds/IPOs? Don't invest, they are all scams.

Arrow Secured bond? lol2%intrustkthxbai

Arrow Wined and dined your way into filling your 1st, 2nd, 3rd bond/IPO? Rep grinding.

Arrow Discussing the Markets? Manipulation attempt.

Arrow [Thread] Noobie trader advice? Do your own research and find your own profit!

Arrow Ebank? Give us your full API and you might get %50 of your ISK back.

Just what exactly are the MD forums good for? Trolling legit traders/RPers out of their own threads? A place scammers to RP their way into billions of isk? A place for RP investors to make Hail Mary's into scammers wallets?

Can anyone, active MD poster or lurker, tell me any different? I check this forum a few times a day, and I see nothing but trolling or chit chat.

Any ideas on how to improve these forums? I have a few, I'll share em if we get some discussion.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-18 01:51:12 UTC
Start by getting rid of petty tyrants who think they know what's best for everyone else.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-02-18 02:04:13 UTC
If you don't enjoy it then why do you come here?

I understand you are tired of the many IPO's/Bond scams. Not happy making 2% on you're investment and are probably too lazy to read the decent threads....so I ask again, why are you even here?

It is how this section of the forums has always worked, if you don't like it go to the carebare general forums and have some fun, after all this is a forum and the game is actually played elsewhere.

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#4 - 2013-02-18 02:14:24 UTC
I always thought MD was where economics went to die. Sort of an elephant graveyard for the industrialists and their latest and greatest ideas.
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-18 02:56:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Syds Sinclair
..SinTeryx.

As you are a new pilot to Eve, I have a suggestion. Instead of spamming meaningless posts and making bold claims like:

"It is how this section of the forums has always worked."

My suggestion is: Log off of the forums and go get in space.

For you, SinTeryx, as you are new to Eve, this advice is free. I hope that you will practice it.

Or I guess you can continue to mine in highsec.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#6 - 2013-02-18 03:04:15 UTC
MD is where people use and talk about internet spaceship money to boost up their ego.

yes

SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-02-18 03:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: SinTeryx
Meaningless posts?

Heh go ahead and take a look at Eve-Search...I think you will find that the MD has been relatively the same since the beginning of time....people to lazy to make their own market decisions, some honest people who have incredible operations running, some who enjoy scamming, and yet a few others with way too much isk and would like to help newer players out.

As to you're "mine in highsec" statement, yea I tried it and then miner-bumping moved in.

Older on the forums = bigger epeen. My bad.

Edit: Why are you here?

Edit 2: Grabbing beer and popcorn to enjoy while this thread develops.

Edit 3: While we await some well thought out ..post I think we should all enjoy this. As this is what I see the MD as, a bunch of people enjoying some friendly conversation over some decent ops, and then the trolls move in.

Edit 4: This still is my favorite, as it is the school I went to.

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

Tesal
#8 - 2013-02-18 03:40:41 UTC
There is an occasional good post in MD with useful information.
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-18 03:57:26 UTC
..SinTeryx.

I am well versed on the status of MD throughout the years. I feel that currently, MD is lacking. This post is to pull the knowledge, views, and insights from my MD peers and MD lurkers.

You are not an MD peer.
You are not an MD lurker.
You are a new pilot with the willingness to post, but lacking the experience of time.

I'm afraid this thread will not develop in the fashion you want. My advice to you now, as it was a week ago in a different sub-forum, and as it was just a few moments ago, is to get out of the safety (lol) of HighSec, get into Nul, RvB, FW, anything other then mining, and experience the Eve.

I wish you luck, SinTeryx.
SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-02-18 04:18:34 UTC
So easy to write off someone who is pretty new to the game is interesting. Like I said before, read back through the MD forums, like a few years (I know you posting on you're one year old toon gets you a lot of rep) and see how it was and still very much is.

I respect you asking for the knowledge and views of the MD "peers/lurkers" as you call them, but I still fail to see what you are truly asking for, as in the end, this is the MD. People will come here asking for advice that are much too lazy to use google (and 99.9% of the people actually making ISK on the markets won't share more than "here are the skills you need, do you're own research"). Others will come asking for investments, 95% of which will be written off as scams, 4% invested in and end up being scams and the lucky 1% who are actually legit will either be troll'd to death, stick through the trolls and scam or end up being decent players who want to make a bit and need the capital to start.

All I said from my initial post is, why if you do not enjoy what goes on here do you keep coming back? I wasn't trying to troll you or cause any trouble, I just asked a question. Yea the MD may be stale, lacking content and overall a nesting pool for scammers and troll's but again, that is what the MD is isn't it?

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-18 04:20:57 UTC
SinTeryx wrote:
Meaningless posts?

Edit 3: While we await some well thought out ..post I think we should all enjoy this. As this is what I see the MD as, a bunch of people enjoying some friendly conversation over some decent ops, and then the trolls move in.

Edit 4: This still is my favorite, as it is the school I went to.


..Yes SinTeryx, meaningless posts. Less of them, please.
SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-02-18 04:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: SinTeryx
Syds Sinclair wrote:
SinTeryx wrote:
Meaningless posts?

Edit 3: While we await some well thought out ..post I think we should all enjoy this. As this is what I see the MD as, a bunch of people enjoying some friendly conversation over some decent ops, and then the trolls move in.

Edit 4: This still is my favorite, as it is the school I went to.


..Yes SinTeryx, meaningless posts. Less of them, please.



Edits as I awaited a response.

Anyways, as to you're original question. I know there have been and still are a lot of ideas floating around the MD (google is a good start).

Let's create a channel for everyone in the MD forums to join, lets call it MD Local. Anyone and everyone can join. Moderators will be assigned to people who frequent the channel, don't spam/cause trouble and offer advice to anyone interested in what is going on in the MD. Hell lets open a TS3, share skype info or even login to the in-game voice chat and have some conversations. Anyone who has bulk sales (yes there are channels for this but what the hell, many are ready to play some isk-war games), budding traders(will clear up the "I want to station trade any tips?" threads), investors (I have lots of ISK, do you have collateral and a decent plan in mind) and any others who are interested in the vast market world.

As the ask question's thread at the top of the MD isn't used, well ever, why not start a new thread. Something that new players who clearly skip the sticky to ask questions ignore but find after searching through the first 3 pages of the forums to ask questions. With all the well respected players around I am sure someone can come up with sound advice. Make some rules for it, no asking what to start out trading where to trade (as this should be in the initial post) ect.

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread. I will attempt to articulate some more as I see fit, otherwise I await you're response.

Edit: I think I will use that as my signature, how do you edit signat....wait google ty.

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#13 - 2013-02-18 04:48:21 UTC
*Setting cruise control to entertained* - Awaiting Internet speedbumps
Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#14 - 2013-02-18 05:13:50 UTC
Your are premature.I will list only 2examples because I've been here since old md.
1.I come here when i want to find a fast loan with collateral.
2. I made crapload of cash because people were speculating on md about how npc will make you huge % if you invest in it before PI was ingame.For someone who doesn't read patch notes threads like that are priceless.

knowledge is power.

Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-18 05:25:57 UTC
..SinTeryx, if you would just cut the ego boosting crap off of your posts, you would be left with a solid post. Thank you for your input.

I like the ideas you suggested. While I don't think that they will be enough, or even get enough steam to actually take off, at least you are thinking and expressing your ideas.

As for the historical quality of MD, IMO right now is at an all time low. I keep hoping for the content of a few years back.

I have a few ideas. I'd like to see some Markets being Discussed in the MD forum. Here's a market I've been killing lately: hub to hub trading of pirate faction frigs. Anyone else get in on this margin?

I like your point about the new trader threads. I'll be posting in any help thread from now on, giving out specific markets and items. That should get some discussion going.
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-18 05:31:46 UTC
Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:
*Setting cruise control to entertained* - Awaiting Internet speedbumps



..I figured that with your pedigree in the markets of Eve, you would have something worthwhile to post. Strange.
SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-02-18 05:47:05 UTC
Syds Sinclair wrote:
..SinTeryx, if you would just cut the ego boosting crap off of your posts, you would be left with a solid post. Thank you for your input.

I like the ideas you suggested. While I don't think that they will be enough, or even get enough steam to actually take off, at least you are thinking and expressing your ideas.

As for the historical quality of MD, IMO right now is at an all time low. I keep hoping for the content of a few years back.

I have a few ideas. I'd like to see some Markets being Discussed in the MD forum. Here's a market I've been killing lately: hub to hub trading of pirate faction frigs. Anyone else get in on this margin?

I like your point about the new trader threads. I'll be posting in any help thread from now on, giving out specific markets and items. That should get some discussion going.


Ego boosting? I fail to see how enjoying my own drunken ramblings is boosting anyones ego, let alone my own.

Markets being discussed? Honestly? You have been here for a while I assume...so I am going to put this as bluntly as I can:

Who in their right mind is going to discuss a market they have been making a killing off of? You're "hub to hub pirate faction" trading has been ok, but not really worth the effort. Trading into RvB stations with faction gear is pretty profitable *cough* but I would rather update my buy/sell orders every 5-10 minuts then run around with a few hundred million ISK in a cheap hauler.

Not one person reading this forum would ever give up a wonderful "g-spot" they hit in the market. I would love to see this too, but the margins they were making would drop instantly and would no longer be as profitable as sitting in station updating orders every 5 minutes. Maybe posting after a few weeks of wonderful trading in the "g-spot market" with screen shots and actual information would be nice. Maybe a post for "best margins of the week" with awards going to the most profitable "api-confirmation" traders would be cool.

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-18 05:54:12 UTC
CCP has somewhat arbitrarily carved up a game into what they think are relevant forum subtopics. Therefore, it is our duty to make some ill-defined "thing" from nothing in one of said subforums, as opposed to just posting what we like within the overall forum rules.

This is one of the most painful threads I have ever seen on this entire forum, and that is a tremendous feat.

Pod yourself, ingame.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-02-18 06:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: SinTeryx
Varius Xeral wrote:
CCP has somewhat arbitrarily carved up a game into what they think are relevant forum subtopics. Therefore, it is our duty to make some ill-defined "thing" from nothing in one of said subforums, as opposed to just posting what we like within the overall forum rules.

This is one of the most painful threads I have ever seen on this entire forum, and that is a tremendous feat.

Pod yourself, ingame.


CCP regulates, rather sparingly, these forums and nothing else. If it is so painful then why not go to the elsewhere...wait for it...new idea CareBare section of the forums, everyone is nice, does nothing illegal and CCP investigates everyones post, validating the content of said post.

They haven't created anything, save for a forum for the entire Eve community to express their ideas, complain, troll and even gather together to attempt to make a change.

Welcome to the "ill-defined thing" called Eve.

Edit: Welcome to the "ill-defined thing" called Eve forums, or rather the MD.

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

flakeys
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-02-18 09:16:05 UTC
Have a look at general discussion , then visit CAOD and on the way there go by crime and punishment.


Now enlighten me why MD forum would be SO much different ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

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