Intergalactic Summit

I must respectfully reject such a request, at least on my part. It is true you may have refrained from entering a lot of those topics, but the other Minmatarr have not. In this IGS, it is impossible to not have everybody question everything, and this topic is an example, with people from all nations showing their opinions. So, I don't think you deserve to be treated in a different way to all the rest.

Also, a second note, you do realize that none of your words deny any of the claims I made, nor any proof has been given either by you or captain Franks to the falsety of my claims. And also, I though backing up the unity of the tribes is Electus Matari's policy, as the unity of the tribes are Minmatarr official policy now. So, you rather contradict an amarrian that's defending your position only because of my blood, than one that is trying to tear your Republic ideals in half because they want to expel one of the Seven?

That's quite... something.

It's not our creation?, you are creating it right now. With your cries against the ammatar, surely you can not be so blind?.
And Murientor are crying, seeding hatred.

Are you so full of hate that you are willing to go up against the republic?, for to quote one of my corp mates

I took no side in the matter, pilot nor, do I presume to speak in any official capacity for my corporation or alliance. (As I don't take your pronouncements to be official PIE policy, unless explicitly stated.) I merely asked that provocateurs and propagandists, such as yourself, keep your non-constructive thoughts to yourselves, just this once. Apparently you're not even capable of a small common courtesy. Just remember that you do indeed reap what you sow. Expect myself and others to insinuate ourselves into your conversations and derail them as you've attempted to do here.

Someone pinch me, because I'm agreeing with Andreus on something. Now, not aiming this at him, because for once he's making sense. This is for everyone else:

Within the Empire, yes religion and government are so intertwined as to be indistinguishable from each other. But outside the Empire? Do you really think that just because someone in the Republic practices the Amarrian Faith that they're going to suddenly hand the keys to your entire government over to us? Look, I'm a Mandate loyalist myself and I can tell you that's just not going to happen. We can wish it would happen, but it won't.

The Mandate pretty much exists based off this refusal of the Republic to let Matari practice Amarrian Faith. Do you really think we'd even need an entire separate sovereign state for those Matari of the Faith if the Republic didn't so blatantly discriminate against it? But no, you refuse to accept that Matari people who believe in our God are even still Matari - even while you obsess over the importance of "bloodlines" - such hypocrisy! People might want to look up a company called "Nefantar Mining Association" sometime. It's not a Republic company.

Yes, there are many, many other cultural and social differences as well. But let's face it - this religious persecution is not helping the issue, people. As far as I can tell, your society has simply vilified all things Amarrian to such a point where you've got nutcases who'd rather let people starve to death than feed them with bread made from Amarrian wheat (some of you may remember that incident here on IGS a while back, too).

This borders on insanity.

Look, if I was in low-sec and some Sansha's ship came charging at me with guns blazing and a Republic, Gallente, or State ship came in and saved my butt I'd be very grateful for that. Likewise I'd do the same for them. Despite everything that has happened to both myself and my homeworld, even I am not blinded by hatred to the point of irrational paranoia. Yet I have to ask these Republic pilots: If you saw an Amarrian civilian ship under attack by Blood Raiders or the like, would you try to save them? Or would you let them die? Or would you join the attack yourselves?

I know that for all their years fighting, most pilots of both the Federation and State would actually come to each others' aid in such a situation - when being faced with the truly savage, inhuman monsters of New Eden. Regardless of their differences, or the depth of their convictions, they're both gravitate towards heavily in favor of sanity... and basic humanity. And yes, if I saw a Republic civilian ship under attack by Sansha's or their ilk then yes I'd try to save them, too. Yet it pains me to know that in the reverse situation the same would likely not be true... and I'd be lucky if all they did was sit back and watch.

That is a level of hatred that isn't just contempt for a government or a society. A hatred for anything that isn't exactly like yourself is contempt for all humanity. People like to talk about the Amarrian past at the expense of the Amarrian present: We've signed the CONCORD treaties, we've stopped the crusades of Reclaiming by force and we've started freeing our slaves. Yet we also know that most of it is in vain, because nothing we ever do will make the Republic stop hating every aspect of our very existence. Our merely drawing breath offends them down to their souls and nothing less than total genocide of our entire people will ever appease them (at least for a little while... I have little doubt that, having disposed of us, they'd turn on the Gallente next to keep their need for perpetual warfare satisfied).

Honestly, when I'm shipping medical supplies and refuges for distribution agents in the Republic, I keep wondering why I even bother. I'm just a "worthless half-breed traitor" in their eyes, always fit for nothing but contempt by my mere existence. I fear for all of New Eden.

Your approval fills me with loathing and shame.

And if we do not talk this through in public, what will the masses who share our point of view do? Murientor is not seeding hatred. We remind the Republic of its history. And for many many Minmatar, justice has never been served. If this matter is swept under the rug, it will come back to undermine the Republic later and it will cause more problems.

Also. Where do you get the impression that "we are willing to go up against the republic?" Last I checked, we have freedom of speech. Freedom, I might add, that many in Ammatar Mandate do not have!

The question remains... The Ammatar who have returned... how do we know they have not taken part in enslaving our kin? We can't. But each and every one of them has benefited from brutal slavery. This fact is not going away no matter how much you attempt you wash it away...

...and now they are given a council seat. While large part of the general population have not received justice. Step out of you capsules people. Go planetside and listen to people. They are not ready for this... nor should they.

I agree. Chiefs have our respect. However... that is not the same as their decisions are infallible. That is a term for an Amarr leader. Wise leader listens to those who call out to him.



I have no need for populism or inciting the people. Murientor view on Ammatar are shared by large part of the population. But I see you and others have conveniently decided to ignore the Ammatar's part in enslavement of others. I am not the one making judgement on anyone... I am simply stating the fact, that the crimes of the Ammatar are going to be ignored and that is not right!

Whether or not the Council has made itself abundantly clear to you, our tribe will continue its work for the Minmatar people. They deserve nothing less. For we are servants of the people.

This will be my last message in this conversation. I am needed on the front lines.

There is a difference between giving the Nefantar a closely monitored opportunity to work towards atonement for the past and naively giving them a free pass complete with blind trust for all the crimes committed in their name over the centuries.

As I said earlier, this is their chance and they know full well that the Matari people are watching closely. Cautious Vigilance is the correct course of action with Regards to the Nefantar.

I trust in the Sanmatar and the Council to judge the Nefantar's Actions on their merits.

I agree completely. Each nation has its government, and we should all follow their leadership without question until they've been proven wrong in front of the traditions and laws of said society, such as is doing Tibus Heth right now. But the Republic's leaders have not only been loyal to those traditions, but made them whole again and faced hatred and distrust with a smile and a welcoming hand.

If the Republic is ever to be whole again, it's not by following those that will lead to division and internal bickering as the "Defiants" are doing. It's by following those voices that talk about working together, and those that talk about the price of misstrust, like captain Ash.



No, you remind people of a select part of history, the one you like to focus on. History is much larger. I already pointed out to a piece of history you like to ignore in my previous post. Some have mentioned another piece of history, when the Nefantar saved the Starkmanir from destruction. We could even go further back in time and remember another piece of history, when all Tribes were united before our arrival. History, as you see, is much bigger. And, in most of the episodes, it paints the Nefantar with gray light, as it paints all of us, with their virtues and flaws.

Oh, and before I forget, the Ammatar were not allowed to make slaves. Slavery is a profession that is impossible to combine with having slaves: if you can make slaves you have to sell them, if you can hold slaves you have to buy them. The Ammatar Mandate received a special permit for Ammatars to hold slaves, so they were not the ones making new slaves. And that is an imperial law that remains active in the Mandate. So, don't charge them with a fault they don't have.



You give yourself too much credit, I just like to hear my voice destroy the arguments of those that are wrong. You are very very far from reaching within my skin, captain Rella.

Following the lead of the Vherokior Tribe delegate, I respect the Nefentar as a Tribe of the Minmatar people and wish them nothing but the best.