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Past the Point of No Return.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2013-02-18 05:35:06 UTC
You're quite inspiring in full flow, aren't you Khross-haan?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#22 - 2013-02-18 09:44:30 UTC
I have only recently been granted the separation from the State to appreciate this delicious irony, but the wait has been worth it.

I am quite simply staggered, now I see it from the outside, how a proud, technologically advanced nation boasting some of the most advanced star ships and metropolitan organisational schemes of the entire cluster (barring an obvious exception), is always looking to 'return to X, or reclaim the age of Y'. How did our forward thinking people become so fixated on the dead days of the past?

Learn from them? Definitely. But living there is a pretty terrible idea, it just means you'll always treat your present and future as baggage you are forced to carry around while you pine for better days you never even experienced for yourself.

Let the girl go Guri. Sure, anarchy and a penchant for theft and sabotage will probably provide her with a pretty lasting state of culture shock, but she might learn something other than history.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-02-18 12:12:04 UTC
Solarienne wrote:


I am quite simply staggered, now I see it from the outside, how a proud, technologically advanced nation boasting some of the most advanced star ships and metropolitan organisational schemes of the entire cluster (barring an obvious exception), is always looking to 'return to X, or reclaim the age of Y'. How did our forward thinking people become so fixated on the dead days of the past?

Learn from them? Definitely. But living there is a pretty terrible idea, it just means you'll always treat your present and future as baggage you are forced to carry around while you pine for better days you never even experienced for yourself.


I begin to wonder if you ever truly understood the State and its people, it simply baffles me that you could have this mindset regarding it, having seen it from inside. I could understand why an outsider would have this viewpoint, but someone that once lived as part of the State and the Caldari?

It's not about living in the past, it's about honoring it. It's not about returning to the days of yore, it's about not forsaking that which lent us the strength, courage and wisdom to bring us where we are today.

Surely you've read works of literature? You understand that the story and characters involved are products of their past and history, they quite literally develop as the story progresses. If you forsake the story and remove the elements of their past, then they are empty and hollow and absent reason to be whom and what they are.

The Caldari people are whom we are because of the paths we have traveled, because of the history of our people. To forsake our history is to abandon all that made us whom we are. We do not seek to live in the past, we seek to honor it and remember it so it may always serve as a reminder and guide toward our future.

A lesson you clearly never learned.

~Malcolm Khross

Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#24 - 2013-02-18 12:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Solarienne
I understand how the State likes to pitch itself, but the marketing isn't quite matching the product anymore. You lot can't even agree on what it is to even BE Caldari anymore. I remember when it was about faction and bloc politics, about badges and incremental ideological differences; not this mess of attempting to define what you even are anymore.

Yes the Caldari learn from their past, I said as such, but in these times more and more of you seem to want nothing more than to undo the last few years of progress and go back to lining the pockets of your favourite CEO (whether you like it or not). That is the 'living in the past' I am speaking of, and the vast majority of capsuleer 'Caldari' decrying and even instigating violent rhetoric against a war hero, the current Executor, are just a symptom of the palsy that has gripped the State. Even if they get the old corrupt nepotism they are so keen on, they will not be satisfied, and they cannot die.

Personally, I do not think it is a sickness the State will recover from, but with any luck it is one it can withstand long enough to drag the Federation down with it.

Thinking about it, there is more and more reason for the girl to go Guri. They're pretty good at picking apart the remains of State facilities and coming up with something previously unheard of. Who knows what they could make out of the corpse of your State.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-02-18 13:00:57 UTC
Careful Ishenko, your bitterness is beginning to show.

I'd offer a more proper response but I'd only be wasting my time.

~Malcolm Khross

Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#26 - 2013-02-18 13:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Solarienne
And here I was, trying to be polite by not mentioning those rather 'fabulous' rose coloured specs you appear to be wearing.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-02-18 13:35:52 UTC
I do so enjoy how people are quick to turn against me for 'turning my guns on my own people,' yet, the Navy is currently killing their own citizens from orbit.

The whole State is rotten; tear it all down.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-02-18 14:02:48 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
You're no relation to a Tovil-Toba, either by blood or spirit. There are no records I can find linking you to the Tovil-Toba family. So, basically, you're trading on the name of a national hero to try to advocate for piracy. Well, that, or you are trying to be a Special Space Princess. Probably both.


Lying to try and discredit someone is a wonderful idea, assuming others don't have access to those same records and can easily ascertain that you are lying. Her great (times 7) grandfather was Goro Tovil-Toba, YakiyaTobil-Toba's first cousin-which meant that they had the same grandfather.

Her branch of the family settled in Ticho, a largish city on New Caldari, away from the 'main' branch of the Tobil-Tova family that were the direct descendants of Yakiya. The family are Lai Dai citizens, although, many join the Caldari Navy. Seraphia is the first in her branch of the family to ascend to the ranks of capsuleer and her family has released a statement condemning her in the strongest possible terms, saying "We have no daughter Seraphia." They also added that if the girl ever came to her senses, she should do the honorable thing and take her own life.

If you wish to take character assassination lessons from the best in the cluster, The Mittani, I can arrange it for two billion ISK, paid up front.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Lydia vanPersie
Soltech Armada
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#29 - 2013-02-18 14:05:21 UTC
It's always nice to see the tears of impotent rage from the Heth loyalists. Did the Goonswarm Federation have a nice welcome for you in Venal?

(^;

Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-02-18 14:15:20 UTC
Someone from Gentlemen's agreement shot my Ibis on the way in. Luckily, I had a small contained welded to the side of my pod to carry Ms. Sin's gift of a 28 year old Thukker whiskey. I'm here, settling in nicely. Oddly enough, I have not seen anyone from Goonswarm yet.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#31 - 2013-02-18 14:18:45 UTC
I didn't know that you worked for House of Records, Vea-guri.

I can agree on one point with Ishenko. Let the girl go guri.
Maybe she realizes that her current mindset was wrong, maybe she continues to stay as useless as she is now.
Either way she'll stay insignificant and hardly worth the time it takes to respond on this venue.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-02-18 14:23:18 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
I didn't know that you worked for House of Records, Vea-guri.


There are plenty of ways to get information. Bribery is a good one, as it leaves everyone happy. Extortion, well, it works great. Outright threats are yet another way. The best way, make sure that the person working somewhere is loyal to you.

Or, you know, a galnet search works.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-02-18 14:34:12 UTC
How deeply interesting it is that a big, scary Goon would stick out her neck to defend a, ahem, worthless pubbie (is that the term? Am I using that right?) such as this woman.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-02-18 14:44:50 UTC
A night with three Jin Mei pleasure girls and an excessive amount of narcotics has put me in a really good mood. What can I say?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-02-18 14:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba wrote:
I do so enjoy how people are quick to turn against me for 'turning my guns on my own people,' yet, the Navy is currently killing their own citizens from orbit.


You do not heal a man who has last one arm by cutting off his other arm. You do not repair a building that has been bombed by bombing it again.

The remedy to the Navy shooting its own people isn't to shoot the Navy's people or even the Navy. You do not justify your own sins by pointing to the sins of another.

~Malcolm Khross

Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-02-18 14:53:05 UTC
I was going to respond to Khross, then I realized he was serious. I just can't correct that level of . . . Ancestors, I don't even know what to call it.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-02-18 14:57:32 UTC
Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba wrote:
I was going to respond to Khross, then I realized he was serious. I just can't correct that level of . . . Ancestors, I don't even know what to call it.


It's called conviction, I know it's foreign to you.

~Malcolm Khross

Ilsenae Alexandros
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-18 15:00:18 UTC
Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba wrote:
I was going to respond to Khross, then I realized he was serious. I just can't correct that level of . . . Ancestors, I don't even know what to call it.


Its called pointing out your fallacies, Sweetie. And its not that hard, given the way you've been arguing for your cause. And I use that word loosely.

To know the face of God is to know madness.

Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#39 - 2013-02-18 15:02:28 UTC
...The final threshold...
What warm unspoken secrets will we learn?




Oh sorry. This isn't about musicals?

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-02-18 15:15:42 UTC
By Khross's reasoning, we would all be happily living on Caldair Prime, under the heel of the Gallente. A former StaPro pilot arguing for, what exactly? Passive resistance? Peaceful resolutions?

Do you have any idea how ludicrous you sound, Khross?
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