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Past the Point of No Return.

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Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-17 08:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba
The State was founded so that Caldari could be Caldari. Too many worthy men and women gave their lives so that we, as a people, would be free to forge our own path in this cluster, without the oppression of the Gallente. Things have now come full circle, where Caldari oppress themselves. Heth and his Provists are making a mockery of all that our ancestors fought for--what they died for. The Megacorps that fancy themselves the leaders of the State have proven to be no better than the Gallente Senate. The rot has spread too far. It is time for the State as we know it to fall. Megacorp CEOs should be put up against the wall and shot, their assets distributed to the Caldari people that they have exploited. Heth and his henchmen in the CPD should be hanged, their bodies burned and ashes shot into a black hole so that nothing of them survives.

There is a refuge where the Caldari culture has been allowed to flourish. The Guristas, labeled as pirates and slandered at every opportunity by the tyrants in the State, are a beacon to every freedom loving Caldari. Their prisons are among the best, most efficient, effective and human in the Cluster. They take great care to protect their people from marauding bands of State Warships. The future of Caldari culture rests with the Guristas.

I will be going to Venal, to offer my assistance and allegiance to the Guristas. The hope for the Caldari people rests not with the CPD, CEP, or eight Megas, but a group of people that are labeled pirates. I will find a spot for anyone that wishes to join me. To those that are referred to as baseliners, do not think that you cannot contribute. Crews will be needed, support staff as well. Anyone can make a difference and bring forth a better future for our people.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#2 - 2013-02-17 08:25:33 UTC
Run along then. The State won't miss you.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-17 08:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Shadow
Have fun with that, meanwhile the true Caldari will try to solve the States problems from within its borders, without running to thieves and murderers for some sort of twisted form of freedom. Tibus came to power through the will of the people, he can fall the same way should the Caldari demand it.

Also, how dare you pervert the name of one of our most heroic national figures, you disgust me.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2013-02-17 08:38:04 UTC
Oh look, another idiot fresh out of the schoolyard.

Katrina Oniseki

Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-02-17 08:39:25 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:

Also, how dare you pervert the name of one of our most heroic national figures, you disgust me.


The Admiral was my several greats grandfather's cousin. I think he would approve of my actions, after seeing what has happened to the State-an enterprise he gave his life for.
Knoot Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-17 08:42:42 UTC
A pirate who complains about marauding bands of warships is still a pirate. Just, perhaps, a fairly gullible one. Whatever helps you to justify your new life of crime, right?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-02-17 08:44:42 UTC
Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba gave his life in the defence of a State that had walked into a war it had no plan or means to fight. A war that cost it Home as well as millions of it's civilians.

He was unsupported and yet he fought to the death for the State and the people of the State.

I don't see him running away to join Pirates because the going gets tough.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#8 - 2013-02-17 09:18:45 UTC
As far as I am concerned, she has absolutely no relation whatsoever to Tovil-Toba. She's not Caldari.

She is just a fool.

Katrina Oniseki

Jev North
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-02-17 09:49:24 UTC
The future of Caldari culture rests with the Guristas? Oh, the mirth.

That said, I can only cheer on a capsuleer who has decided to leave the stifling cradle of hi-sec space early. Good luck!

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-02-17 11:26:04 UTC
You must really be fresh out of the tubes if you truly think the Gurista are humanists and altruists with the best interests of Caldari at heart. They are a criminal cartel operated by spineless Navy rejects who couldn't make the cut which focuses on profiting from the sale of illicit goods, sabotage and industrial espionage against State companies - only a fool would actually swallow any notions of, "Freedom and Liberty" they espouse for what it means in fact is the freedom to live as a worthless parasite upon the State.

However, even the weak, foolish and worthless failures of a citizen in the State need a home that reflects their pathetic existence and the Gurista is as suitable a home for such as their kind. All the better, believe you will find safe haven, create your ersatz life devoid of merit or ability, live free and be merry as you wallow in the joys you may find in the repudiation of your duty and become complacent that vengeance will never find you -- for it is on that day, I hope and pray that I shall be there when your homes are vitrified into plains of silicate glass, your sons and daughters slaughtered by the bushel loads to be stacked in ditches, and scum such as yourself choke upon the void as you are summarily ejected out the nearest airlock.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-02-17 13:20:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Yes, because it's extremely Caldari to turn tail and run from our problems rather than face them. It's extremely Caldari to petition public opinion rather than executive decisive action. It's extremely Caldari to abandon one's community, one's people and one's leaders rather than stand resolute against the struggle.

In case you haven't noticed lass, I'm being sarcastic.

The Caldari thing to do is to stand and fight against what the State has and is becoming if you disagree with its direction. To be the heart and soul of the Caldari people when we need it and to demonstrate your resolve by remaining unyielding and uncompromising in the midst of adversity.

What you are suggesting is turning to a group of pirates whose concern isn't for the Caldari people but for their own personal way of life and liberties. (Which are cover words for pillaging, marauding, profiteering and oppressing those weaker than themselves.) You've abandoned the Caldari people and fled from the opposition. Should we meet one another in space, I'll extend to you the same courtesy I extend to all other brigands and pirates - a swift destruction.

~Malcolm Khross

Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#12 - 2013-02-17 14:02:08 UTC
Good conclusion, wrong cause rookie. Luckily you have a good long while to re-evaluate. Enjoy your rebellious phase though, I guess.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Vikarion
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-02-17 14:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
You're no relation to a Tovil-Toba, either by blood or spirit. There are no records I can find linking you to the Tovil-Toba family. So, basically, you're trading on the name of a national hero to try to advocate for piracy. Well, that, or you are trying to be a Special Space Princess. Probably both.

Tovil-Toba fought for the Megas. Tovil-Toba fought for the Caldari people. Many of us disagree with Heth, no Caldari citizen fights against the Megas. The Megacorporations are who we are. Stating that they should be destroyed is arguing for the destruction of the Caldari culture, and the Caldari people.

The Guristas are active allies of the Nation, an entity that has spent the previous few years enslaving anyone it can find. The Guristas have openly advocated capsuleer assistance to the Nation, as well. The Guristas are also allies of the Blood Raiders. Oh, and, in addition to that, they have their own crimes, which include kidnapping, murder, assassination, bombardment of planets with nerve agents, sabotage, and many other crimes too numerous to list. To suggest that they are some sort of haven for Caldari isn't just deceptive, it's blatantly stupid, considering the fact that everyone knows this.

And as for we capsuleers, don't forget that one of the founding members of the Guristas has some serious issues with podders, and wants us all dead. Sounds like an excellent employment prospect, doesn't it? For you, that is. Those of us with loyalty, some ethics, and a modicum of intelligence know where our actions are best direct.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-02-17 14:38:10 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
You must really be fresh out of the tubes if you truly think the Gurista are humanists and altruists with the best interests of Caldari at heart. They are a criminal cartel operated by spineless Navy rejects who couldn't make the cut which focuses on profiting from the sale of illicit goods, sabotage and industrial espionage against State companies - only a fool would actually swallow any notions of, "Freedom and Liberty" they espouse for what it means in fact is the freedom to live as a worthless parasite upon the State.

However, even the weak, foolish and worthless failures of a citizen in the State need a home that reflects their pathetic existence and the Gurista is as suitable a home for such as their kind. All the better, believe you will find safe haven, create your ersatz life devoid of merit or ability, live free and be merry as you wallow in the joys you may find in the repudiation of your duty and become complacent that vengeance will never find you -- for it is on that day, I hope and pray that I shall be there when your homes are vitrified into plains of silicate glass, your sons and daughters slaughtered by the bushel loads to be stacked in ditches, and scum such as yourself choke upon the void as you are summarily ejected out the nearest airlock.


Out the airlock? Far too quick.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-02-17 16:40:20 UTC
Just love it when traitors say they "betray the nation for the good of the nation". It's so marvelously clear they're either mad, delusional or plainly lying, that I can't help but bring a smile to my face.

Thank you for this smile, I hope your "misguided kinsmen" repay it for me in a large barrage of missile fire. That's the best way of repaying traitors.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#16 - 2013-02-17 16:43:46 UTC
And what is it that you think the Gurristas do for profit on a day-to-day basis?
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#17 - 2013-02-17 16:52:08 UTC
There are other options for those seeking to "escape" the turmoil of the State and to do so in a non criminal fashion. There is the Legion, the Syndicate, and the Kingdom as a starting point.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-17 17:32:12 UTC
Relieving to see that it's not just the Federal Marines who are having issues with their recruitment standards right now.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-02-17 22:59:09 UTC
If it were not for the Megas abusing the Caldari people, no one would have supported his rise to power. The Megas share in Heth's crimes.

The Magas are not the people; they are a creation used to exploit the people. Being Caldari has nothing to do with corporations. I think my ancestors of the Raata Empire can attest to that.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-02-18 00:17:28 UTC
Seraphia 'Chaos' Tovil-Toba wrote:
If it were not for the Megas abusing the Caldari people, no one would have supported his rise to power. The Megas share in Heth's crimes.

The Magas are not the people; they are a creation used to exploit the people. Being Caldari has nothing to do with corporations. I think my ancestors of the Raata Empire can attest to that.


No, but being Caldari has everything to do with fighting for our principles and heritage.

What you've chosen is abandoning them to serve alongside others whom have abandoned them and you're attempting to pretty-it-up with delusions of grandeur.

The Guristas are not glamorous, they do not support the Caldari people they have no care for the Caldari customs and time-honored traditions that have passed from the Raata Empire and through the ages. If you seek to help bring the Caldari people back toward our founding roots, the way to do it is to stand for those principles and beliefs against all opposition and in the midst of adversity not cast them to the Winds and turn your guns against your own people.

~Malcolm Khross

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