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FW STILL BROKEN?
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ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#161 - 2013-02-26 21:50:59 UTC
Cearain wrote:
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You guys are very effective at blocking out any opposing views. The words dont' even register.



nah were not good at blocking other peoples views out .. Just yours because theres only you whining on and on about issues that noone else cares about from any side. which is a task in itself when u feel the self importance to write 3 threads straight after each other

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#162 - 2013-02-26 21:53:17 UTC
chatgris wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
You are the Damar Rocarion of our generation.


He also stole my jacket!


And your glasses!

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#163 - 2013-02-26 21:57:41 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
chatgris wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
You are the Damar Rocarion of our generation.
He also stole my jacket!
And your glasses!
Is this going to be the new thing for QCAT women characters?
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#164 - 2013-02-26 22:05:40 UTC
chatgris wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
You are the Damar Rocarion of our generation.


He also stole my jacket!




But dreads posture makes him look like !$#@ing ET.
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#165 - 2013-02-26 23:19:05 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
chatgris wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
You are the Damar Rocarion of our generation.


He also stole my jacket!




But dreads posture makes him look like !$#@ing ET.


Getting screwed over by the green weenie will do that to you.

And the Damarr, that's harsh. /cuts self
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#166 - 2013-03-01 23:27:58 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
No, but I guess you didn't know that you get LP from closing a plex as well as VP? Thought you at least had that level of knowledge, my bad for assuming that. Farmers plex for LP, since they can use it to make isk. Here is the wiki info so you can brush up on how it all works http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Factional_Warfare.



Its amazing to me how focused you, and so many others, are on the lp and the isk. The stats I posted are for vp not lp. Get lp, or don't get lp, I don't really care that much. Before inferno there was no lp and the system was still broken. It wasn't the lp that broke it. It was that they sovereignty - vp - is best obtained through pve. XG and others were moaning about people getting lp through missions. That never really bothered me. Missions are pve and it was fine by me. The problem was and still is that plexing could be a great pvp format but its still mainly pve.

VP is directly related to the sov war. The guy who waits until the enemy leaves so he can then bring out his empty frigate hull and deplex the system is just as much a symptom of a broken system, even if he gets very little lp.

This is what you don't seem to understand.

Now you want to tell me that none of this matters. I suppose for you faction war is all about who can outblob the other enough to lock down a single system for 24 hours and take it. Ok I agree that is pvp. Its null sec lite. If I were interested in that pvp I would do the whole null sec sov.


Princess Nexxala wrote:

Cearain wrote:

Then you were intentionally misrepresenting the data I posted?


You did no such thing, you misrepresented raw data to fabricate a point. Farming isn't really an issue except for folks like you that want to make it an issue. Your point is irrelevant. Not really sure why you go on and on about it.

Cearain wrote:


Right why would ccp listen to someone who actually gives the data to support what he says?

Want to capture the most plexes for your militia?

1)You can either check out the fits of those who are gettting the most vp.

Or

2) You can listen to the chest thumping gallente players who claim that their medal was pvp yet never offer any evidence of this and ignore all the evidence to the contrary.



Who cares what they fit? Or who they are even? They have very little effect on warzone control besides creating lots of killmails (i.e. content)

I will dumb this down a bit for you;

Farmer A spends and evening running plexes in a system. He takes the system from 95% contested all the way to Vulnerable + overhead. Farmer A logs off. The next day he is top VP for his side since he spent 7 hours running plexes non stop. Before Farmer A logs on the next day, a corp on the other side brings the system in question back down to 95% "doing their part for the war effort" etc. As this wasn't all done by one person VP is spread out among several players. Farmer A logs back on and to his delight the system is ripe for the harvest again and he repeats his actions from the day before.

This scenario happens everyday across the warzone and did Farmer A have ANY affect on sov? Nope

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ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#167 - 2013-03-02 00:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cearain wrote:
Ok I agree that is pvp. Its null sec lite. If I were interested in that pvp I would do the whole null sec sov.




thing is u say u dont do fw so really ur opinions dont matter then do they.

u dont like fw dont do it, u want the pirate life then do that and stop shitting up our threads

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#168 - 2013-03-02 01:08:29 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Ok I agree that is pvp. Its null sec lite. If I were interested in that pvp I would do the whole null sec sov.




thing is u say u dont do fw so really ur opinions dont matter then do they.

u dont like fw dont do it, u want the pirate life then do that and stop shitting up our threads



Only people who like fw have opinions that matter? Roll

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ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#169 - 2013-03-02 02:09:18 UTC
About faction warfare errrrrrrr yes if u dont participate then ur comments are kinda irrelivent

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#170 - 2013-03-02 02:45:25 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
About faction warfare errrrrrrr yes if u dont participate then ur comments are kinda irrelivent
Yeah, pretty much this.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#171 - 2013-03-02 02:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
X Gallentius wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
About faction warfare errrrrrrr yes if u dont participate then ur comments are kinda irrelivent
Yeah, pretty much this.



If you only want to hear from people who like it, then that makes sense.

If you want to hear from all sides, including people who did it for years and decided it still has too many problems, then you will keep a more open mind.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#172 - 2013-03-02 03:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Cearain wrote:
If you only want to hear from people who actually play FW, then it makes sense.
Fixed. You, by your own admission, have only used plexes for fights - not to fight in the occupancy war. In fact, you have stated that you prefer the bastardized version of FW that came out after Inferno than the current version because you were able to cash out at Tier 5 more easily.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#173 - 2013-03-02 03:40:24 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
If you only want to hear from people who actually play FW, then it makes sense.
Fixed. You, by your own admission, have only used plexes for fights - not to fight in the occupancy war. In fact, you have stated that you prefer the bastardized version of FW that came out after Inferno than the current version because you were able to cash out at Tier 5 more easily.



People who don't like playing faction war will probably not continue to play it right?

So why not open your mind and listen to people who have played the game and decided it has too many problems? Why only listen to peopel who like it enough that they keep playing it?

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#174 - 2013-03-02 03:55:56 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
If you only want to hear from people who actually play FW, then it makes sense.
Fixed. You, by your own admission, have only used plexes for fights - not to fight in the occupancy war. In fact, you have stated that you prefer the bastardized version of FW that came out after Inferno than the current version because you were able to cash out at Tier 5 more easily.



I prefered the cashout tier system to the one we have now - that no one cares about. Thats true. But I never said overall I prefered everything about inferno to now.

The changes in the rats from inferno to now was a very good change. You are the one who wants the war to depend on stronger and more npcs.

From day one I have asked that ccp make the occupancy war a pvp mechanic instead of the carebear race it is now and always has been.

You, on the other hand, have always said faction war is fine, and tend to resist proposals that will put the occupancy war into the hands of pvpers.

Again, I will continue to post as I wish. I don't care that it upsets you to hear some people realize the occupancy war is a carebear race. So you might as well stop your crying about it.

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ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#175 - 2013-03-02 03:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
we do listen to others who generally have good FRESH ideas and dont bleat on with the same shitpost, thread after thread. From someone who doesnt even play FW.

My posistion on this is why change something that the general populas of fw players thinks is the best iteration of fw yet for a few players that think it has too many problems no matter what ccp do someone wont be happy, Id tend to go with what 98% of the fw playerbase think is right


Please u say it will put it in the hands of the pvper but someone has to run that plex so will always be a pve mechanic which houses a pvp environment thats what u dont get ...... (please dont return to notification again)

we really arnt the ones crying do you ever read ur posts back after uv wrote them?

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#176 - 2013-03-02 04:08:16 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
we do listen to others who generally have good FRESH ideas and dont bleat on with the same shitpost, thread after thread. From someone who doesnt even play FW.

My posistion on this is why change something that the general populas of fw players thinks is the best iteration of fw yet for a few players that think it has too many problems no matter what ccp do someone wont be happy, Id tend to go with what 98% of the fw playerbase think is right


The problems with faction war are the same problems that existed when fw came out.

"It took less than a week to achieve the maximum faction warfare rank (Divine Commodore), ….111 faction warfare complexes were captured … I did not kill anyone in the process..” Ankhesentapemkah Posted - 2008.06.18 02:29:00


Its the same problem now.

Yes the few people who are still in faction war think its the best it has ever been. I agree that it is the best it has ever been. But it is still broken. And typically when they refer to faction war they often wont be refering to the sov war. They will just be refering kills or activity or isk whatever. Most people couldn't care less about it beyond their ability to dock where their ships are.

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Lin Suizei
#177 - 2013-03-02 04:10:06 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
From someone who doesnt even play FW.


I get it now. Only faction war participants can see the problems relating to faction war, they're invisible to the rest of us who live and fight in the area daily. Not because these "problems" are cloaked, because we're not participating in faction war.

Gotcha.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#178 - 2013-03-02 04:30:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Lin Suizei wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
From someone who doesnt even play FW.


I get it now. Only faction war participants can see the problems relating to faction war, they're invisible to the rest of us who live and fight in the area daily. Not because these "problems" are cloaked, because we're not participating in faction war.

Gotcha.



Seriously, you seem way too sensible for these threads.

XG and this guy and a couple of other gallente (chatgris being a notable exception) are so rabid against anyone who doesn't love everything about fw that its not worth posting. Only batshit crazy people, like me, try to actually talk about the reality of the war to them. They keep thinking that the sov war is a major pvp achievement and no amount of data will dissuade them.

Show them the top plexers killboards and show them they got no kills on the days they got they captured the most plexes -they say: irrelevant.

Point out that gallente are getting many more kills per player after they ended the big sov war push - They will just hear: "blah blah blah" and argue with you about whether you should post or not.

This is bizzarro world, turn back.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#179 - 2013-03-02 07:32:53 UTC
Lin Suizei wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
From someone who doesnt even play FW.

I get it now. Only faction war participants can see the problems relating to faction war, they're invisible to the rest of us who live and fight in the area daily. Not because these "problems" are cloaked, because we're not participating in faction war.Gotcha.
Whatever. If you and Cearain feel so strongly about alts plexing in far off systems, then you should do something about it and kick them out. You both know where they are. Have at it.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#180 - 2013-03-02 07:35:48 UTC
Cearain wrote:

Point out that gallente are getting many more kills per player after they ended the big sov war push - They will just hear: "blah blah blah" and argue with you about whether you should post or not.
The fact that 90% of our kills are directly related to Occupancy Warfare means NOTHING to you? Do you wonder why you are dismissed so quickly?