Warfare & Tactics

Been there, done that, had a blast. Its sort of like college. Lots of fun, really glad I did it, but I don't want to do it twice.

I have to completely agree with Superchair. Try going solo a while and you'll see there is no lack of available PvP out there

This post makes some good points.

But the whole free war dec bit is not really that meaningfull after gcc was eliminated and other crimewatch changes. The only advantage fw offers will be you can camp and fight on a gate, and kill other militia who aren't flashy without worrying about gate guns. Other than that the lowsec pvp opportunities are better for those outside faction war because you are not limited in your targets.

However, what he said about making isk is definitely true. You can make allot of isk in faction war.

Doubling the retards to shoot pretty much means double the pvp.

I think the only reason for a pvper to staying in fw is because of relationships they developed. They don't want to all of a sudden start shooting their friends and previous teammates. Plus they may have networks set up inside the militia. People starting pvp in low sec won't have this problem.

So if they are new and want pvp then, IMO, it is better for them to start up networks outside faction war so they will not forever have their pvp limitted. (again unless they need the isk. But even there they can use a 2 day alt to farm the fw plexes)

I know I had some misgivings about it, when I decided to go neutral so I could shoot both sides. But most of the good people in the militia don't take it personal. And since the militias are open to anyone there are some, albeit few, others in the amarr who I am happy to shoot. And then there are a lot of people who I don't really know and would just as soon not have blue. Do you not think I was jealous when you got to shoot nulli secunda?

Plus you can keep ships everywhere you want and repair at any given station to get back to fighting quicker. Give it a try because you probably forgot how nice that is.

The only change to fw that is currently scheduled is the timer rollbacks. This will mean more pvp for fw pilots. But it will mean twice as much pvp for neutral pvpers as it will for fw players.

Again for pve and isk making fw is great. But for pvp you will get more fights staying out of the "war". It just depends what you are going for.

Edit: I don't see how the wardec is advantageous to you at all since you are already -10. Do you do that much gate and station camping?

More like: Ok we let you kill our newbies in Siseide, you let us kill your noobs in Arzad. Nobody wants to have fights, they just want to farm "kill mails".

You are short-sighted too, since you obviously haven't been playing the meta game in full.

For the most part there is no dedicated offensive effort. There are just alot of people looking to make some money out of a system that is an easy alternative to running missions in hisec. These people and NOT the dedicated people are the main drive of FW. That is wrong.
Currently the main drive of FW Sovereignty changes are solo complex farmers. These characters are either people that have no affiliation with FW or lowsec in general or they are (the alts of) people in militia.

Yes FW should provide an income to those that are in it. No FW should not provide an income to those that are only in it because of that income and have no further interest in the FW meta-game. Note that I consider killing hostile militia as enough to qualify.

What's wrong with the current system is quite simply that it takes at least one combat ready, defensive player to deny a 1 week old (alt) character from farming in said system. If you keep in mind that some of these farmers run 2-3 accounts you can see that this truely is a problem.
The attacker (in the form of a farmer who doesn't even care about the FW meta-game) has the advantage that he can attack any system at any time (just pick an empty one) and that he can choose not to fight whenever he wants and move to the next system. The attacker does not loose anything by backing out of a fight.
The defender needs to be everywhere, all the time and needs to actively police and close all plexes in all systems he wants to keep. He gets marginal rewards from the system for doing so, this means FARMERS DO NOT DEFEND. If he backs out of a fight he could be one step closer to loosing his home.
And why is the defender defending? Not for the income, he hardly gets any if he does his job right. In all but a few systems not to defend his home either. The defender is essentially defending so farmers on his side can make more money. That is just messed up.

Alot of good efforts have been made in FW and I think we've come too close to something that is acceptable to stop now.

The only thing that remains to be done is to kick out the people who are only in FW to make money.

Unlike some of your corp mates you seem quite honest and upfront about how the "war" is "fought." What do you propose to fix this?

You fix it by spending time fighting in the war, and not on forums. I just killed a Condor between 2 posts here, whats your kills/posts ratio?

I think that's what we've said all along. With that in mind, are you still having fun in FW?

veshta probable 5/10s and stuff are still in fw space