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Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-02-16 16:37:33 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
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CCP needs to work more on preventing clear cases of grieving like this, and at the same time try to maintain the ruthless nature of the game otherwise. There should really be never a single new player driven out of the game for the sole reason "because I can".


How is a newbie supposed to know about the "Ruthless nature of the game" if they are shielded from it?

What happens when the newbie leaves this protective bubble and has even more assets built up when he loses them?


Assuming the OP wasn't exaggerating or lying in his post, at the very least the newbie should have the chance of learning how to overcome the UI issues, before the gloves are taken off and he feels someone doing a full cavity search on them with blasters.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#42 - 2013-02-16 16:39:50 UTC
OP and his friends are 3 weeks old. The UI was not their problem. He said in his post that they had already conquered that and were looking to make some ISK by mining what they researched to be the most profitable ore.

The issues did not occur in a starter system.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2013-02-16 16:41:17 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
CCP needs to work more on preventing clear cases of grieving like this, and at the same time try to maintain the ruthless nature of the game otherwise. There should really be never a single new player driven out of the game for the sole reason "because I can".


How is a newbie supposed to know about the "Ruthless nature of the game" if they are shielded from it?




This is very true.

But I feel losing a few of one's ships while a new player is a different thing than being extorted for 10,000,000 ISK that they more than likely do not have yet.

And if they do pay, and don't have enough to buy more advanced ships and mods as they advance in skills, how can they possibly learn the game ? It's actually self-defeating. And the extended, and somewhat absurd end-game becomes just a bunch of 5 year bittervets staring at each other across the Tutorial systems wondering what to do now

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#44 - 2013-02-16 16:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
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But I feel losing a few of one's ships while a new player is a different thing than being extorted for 10,000,000 ISK that they more than likely do not have yet.

And if they do pay, and don't have enough to buy more advanced ships and mods as they advance in skills, how can they possibly learn the game ? It's actually self-defeating. And the extended, and somewhat absurd end-game becomes just a bunch of 5 year bittervets staring at each other across the Tutorial systems wondering what to do now



once again, this did not occur in a tutorial system. Outside of the tutorials you are free to move wherever.

There's a number of possible options. If they are completely and utterly destitute and their ships are the only things they have, then they can move to another system (there's a lot of them). They were not ganked upon going through a gate.

If they didn't mind maybe losing a ship or two i can think of any number of ways to **** with the would-be gankers.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#45 - 2013-02-16 16:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Captain Tardbar wrote:
When I started reading you post I was forumulating a response along the lines of:

Yeah, EVE online is still a computer game from the early 2000's. It still things right click to interface with main functionality is a good thing. The whole UI could use a real overhaul.

But about the part of New Order. I have never run into New Order in the past several months of their operations. I don't know if I am good about finding quiet systems but I think its not that hard to move elsewhere.

I know New Order doesn't operate in the Mili system. Maybe try going there.


That wasn't the New Order he encountered, they don't charge 10 million per day, the New Order permit charge is 10 million per year, if the guys he encountered were charging by the day they're opportunist copycats. The New Order guys tend to leave newbies alone, unless the newbie is being an arse, they have nothing worth exploding or extorting.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2013-02-16 16:47:11 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
But I feel losing a few of one's ships while a new player is a different thing than being extorted for 10,000,000 ISK that they more than likely do not have yet.

And if they do pay, and don't have enough to buy more advanced ships and mods as they advance in skills, how can they possibly learn the game ? It's actually self-defeating. And the extended, and somewhat absurd end-game becomes just a bunch of 5 year bittervets staring at each other across the Tutorial systems wondering what to do now



once again, this did not occur in a tutorial system. Outside of the tutorials you are free to move wherever.

There's a number of possible options. If they are completely and utterly destitute and their ships are the only things they have, then they can move to another system (there's a lot of them). They were not ganked upon going through a gate.

If they didn't mind maybe losing a ship or two i can think of any number of ways to **** with the would-be gankers.


I'm not talking about the ganking aspect. That's just part of the game.

I'm more concerned about the ISK extortion.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#47 - 2013-02-16 16:47:43 UTC
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I'm not talking about the ganking aspect. That's just part of the game.

I'm more concerned about the ISK extortion.


If you are not concerned with the ganking then there is no penalty to just ignoring the extortion.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#48 - 2013-02-16 16:56:20 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'm not talking about the ganking aspect. That's just part of the game.

I'm more concerned about the ISK extortion.
ISK extortion is just part of the game.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#49 - 2013-02-16 17:28:05 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:

I'm not talking about the ganking aspect. That's just part of the game.

I'm more concerned about the ISK extortion.


If you are not concerned with the ganking then there is no penalty to just ignoring the extortion.



Again, if they do not get paid and do gank the new player, that's still ganking. My concern is the extortion aspect. What is so hard to grasp about this ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#50 - 2013-02-16 17:43:00 UTC
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Again, if they do not get paid and do gank the new player, that's still ganking. My concern is the extortion aspect. What is so hard to grasp about this ?


The part where you argue that the problem is extortion, not ganking, and yet then present the problem as ganking.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-02-16 17:52:45 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

I'd rather not EvE go the way of Warhammer Online. You need fresh blood to keep an MMO alive. You cannot simply rely on current subscibers to keep you afloat indefinatley. Eventually even the most loyal vetern will quit. This is why new subscriptions are important.

Unless you enjoy playing with yourself.

Did you just quote WH Online as an example? WH Online is precisely why CCP has to be encouraged to keep things as they are. A few things wrong with WHO :

-There was an unregulated growth of 'fresh blood'. This was because of too much PvE. A ******* WoW clone. Surprising I know.

-The class system was ****.

-The PvP was ****.

-The servers were ****.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm no nullsec zealot out to nerf hisec, but you can't remove what makes EvE EvE. Sensible changes, yes.

Karrin Rawlter wrote:

Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time.


This is precisely why we don't want any of the OP's kind here. You give far less credit to gamers who actually 'get' Eve.

I reiterate, if Eve isn't for you, quit. Post on GD. Give your stuff away or don't. We will still be here.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
#52 - 2013-02-16 17:59:44 UTC
You should realise you've entered one of the most complicated and hardcore games on the market. If you just want a game to let you win and not challenge you there is a world of choice available.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#53 - 2013-02-16 18:01:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Pig
OP, I'm with New Order internal affairs and I would be very interested to learn the name of this supposed "agent". The real New Order charges 10 mil per year not per day, and does not target noobs in velators. If an agent was found to be doing this, he would be publically shamed and burned by other agents.

Please provide more facts, like who, what system, what ship were you flying etc. If you cannot provide this information, I will be forced to assume it is a fabrication and close the investigation.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#54 - 2013-02-16 18:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Galaxy Pig wrote:
OP, I'm with New Order internal affairs and I would be very interested to learn the name of this supposed "agent". The real New Order charges 10 mil per year not per day, and does not target noobs in velators. If an agent was found to be doing this, he would be publically shamed and burned by other agents.

Please provide more facts, like who, what system, what ship were you flying etc. If you cannot provide this information, I will be forced to assume it is a fabrication and close the investigation.


Ty for confirming my earlier post. It's highly doubtful that the player the OP encountered was a New Order agent, much more likely that it was an opportunist copycat.

At the OP if you lost a ship to this player and he was in fact a New Order agent, please contact me ingame or via evemail with a killmail and I'll reimburse you the cost of your ship and modules + some iskies for your trouble, rest assured, if he was an agent, he shall be punished by his peers for his actions, ganking newbies and overcharging for a permit is not what the New Order is about.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-02-16 23:52:58 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
much more likely that it was an opportunist copycat.

or a complete fabrication.

Whole post reeks of OP being an alt of one of the small number of vocal anti nerf-hisec brigade who wish to see Eve turned into a shiny theme park complete with easy coin based mini games and lots of bold primary colors.

With more elves.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-02-17 00:19:17 UTC
Sucks you were driven out of the game by the threat of a t1 destroyer and you didn't feel like reshipping to a procurer, i guess EVE wasn't for you.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-02-17 00:21:18 UTC
Primary Me wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
much more likely that it was an opportunist copycat.

or a complete fabrication.

Whole post reeks of OP being an alt of one of the small number of vocal anti nerf-hisec brigade who wish to see Eve turned into a shiny theme park complete with easy coin based mini games and lots of bold primary colors.

With more elves.

Nah it's legit: Proof
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-02-17 00:29:38 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

Nah it's legit: Proof

Then I apologize and retract my previous statement. Still, on the plus side it means the OP and friends won't be wasting any more time on a game they probably wouldn't like in the long run. I wish them luck finding something more suited to their tastes.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-02-17 01:02:37 UTC
You can train up a procurer that'll tank 42k damage within a few days of chargen, so really the problem is lack of game knowledge
Lexmana
#60 - 2013-02-17 01:23:25 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

Unless you enjoy playing with yourself.

I hate to admit but sometimes I do.