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Baiting and Griefing Noobs just outside the Career Agent system
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Ai Shun
#41 - 2013-02-16 08:22:53 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Now I'm the first to say I don't know the solution. I don't think Rookies should be harassed early on in and around the career agent/ rookie systems. That said I don't want to make a carebear safe haven either.. Each "solution" I think up has it's fair share of drawbacks too.. I mean this is a PvP game, but people griefing on newbies have no place here imho.. grow some balls and face people that actually can fight back, and know what is going on.


The simple solution is to deal with it as a player. You *can* fight back, right?
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-02-16 15:30:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
It's unusual, but it's happened. I've seen it. There aren't any killmails because PvE ships don't have tackle and the other guy warped away.


It never happens. PvP ship wins always.

It doesn't matter how OP Mach is, if it's PvE fit, it loses to one Rifter.

Tackle doesn't help. It's not like outrunning a BS is difficult in a frigate.

Apoc max speed with AB: ~290 m/s
Rifter max speed with AB: ~1200 m/s
Rifter max speed with oversized AB: 2000+ m/s


I submit to your superior EFTing. A Rifter would definitely win a race against an Abaddon.
Yuki Shin-Jan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-02-16 15:56:49 UTC
Rookies should know better is all.

If you see a can in space: Leave it alone and carry about your day.
If you see someone flashing: Don't shoot them and carry about your day.
If you get locked: Don't fire on them and carry about your day.

The majority of any high-sec baiting can be reduced to near nothing if players just mind their own business and don't get so greedy as to take something out of a can that isn't theirs. If people are able to kill others using any baiting methods then it is the so called 'victim's' fault to begin with.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#44 - 2013-02-16 16:44:12 UTC
Best to educate them now, while they don't have much to lose.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-02-16 16:46:14 UTC
Yuki Shin-Jan wrote:
Rookies should know better is all.

If you see a can in space: Leave it alone and carry about your day.
If you see someone flashing: Don't shoot them and carry about your day.
If you get locked: Don't fire on them and carry about your day.

The majority of any high-sec baiting can be reduced to near nothing if players just mind their own business and don't get so greedy as to take something out of a can that isn't theirs. If people are able to kill others using any baiting methods then it is the so called 'victim's' fault to begin with.


Hey I have no sympathy for any newb taking a Can. It's not like it was before, you have to disable the Safety in order to take it.
Flashing yellow, and flashing red however are a different story, not only can you just shoot, but in your first few days you have no idea what that means. For all you know it's another npc rat..

I'd like to see Aura during the initial training perhaps give Rookies a crash course in this.. Flashy Yellow, This is a suspect, they did something like This, anyone can shoot them, but they can shoot back, so make sure you are willing to lose it all. This is a Red, they did ... This is a Yellow can, if you disable your safety you can take it, but then anyone can shoot at you. This player has a great flag, it means they are in your corp, this a purple, this means they are in your fleet..
Etc..
A few basics on the UI so once they leave if they don't know better at least it's their own damn fault..
Conrad Sascon
The Tyde
#46 - 2013-02-16 16:49:37 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Yuki Shin-Jan wrote:
Rookies should know better is all.

If you see a can in space: Leave it alone and carry about your day.
If you see someone flashing: Don't shoot them and carry about your day.
If you get locked: Don't fire on them and carry about your day.

The majority of any high-sec baiting can be reduced to near nothing if players just mind their own business and don't get so greedy as to take something out of a can that isn't theirs. If people are able to kill others using any baiting methods then it is the so called 'victim's' fault to begin with.


Hey I have no sympathy for any newb taking a Can. It's not like it was before, you have to disable the Safety in order to take it.
Flashing yellow, and flashing red however are a different story, not only can you just shoot, but in your first few days you have no idea what that means. For all you know it's another npc rat..

I'd like to see Aura during the initial training perhaps give Rookies a crash course in this.. Flashy Yellow, This is a suspect, they did something like This, anyone can shoot them, but they can shoot back, so make sure you are willing to lose it all. This is a Red, they did ... This is a Yellow can, if you disable your safety you can take it, but then anyone can shoot at you. This player has a great flag, it means they are in your corp, this a purple, this means they are in your fleet..
Etc..
A few basics on the UI so once they leave if they don't know better at least it's their own damn fault..


I totally agree with this, players should be told about this stuff, then we can stop all the butthurt about noob systems being filled with Baiters.

As for people who disable their safety to take cans, no sympathy.

On a final note, Alejandrom777 is a good player. Infact one of the best, i mean.. taking down a Talos in a Catalyst... it's not like he only attacks noobs. Half the **** on his killboard you should learning from. Not crying about.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-02-16 16:50:40 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Yuki Shin-Jan wrote:
Rookies should know better is all.

If you see a can in space: Leave it alone and carry about your day.
If you see someone flashing: Don't shoot them and carry about your day.
If you get locked: Don't fire on them and carry about your day.

The majority of any high-sec baiting can be reduced to near nothing if players just mind their own business and don't get so greedy as to take something out of a can that isn't theirs. If people are able to kill others using any baiting methods then it is the so called 'victim's' fault to begin with.


Hey I have no sympathy for any newb taking a Can. It's not like it was before, you have to disable the Safety in order to take it.
Flashing yellow, and flashing red however are a different story, not only can you just shoot, but in your first few days you have no idea what that means. For all you know it's another npc rat..


And they'll very quickly learn their mistake. They're almost certain to lose their first ship doing the Eve Epic arc anyway, may as well learn something in the process.
Derdrom Utida
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-02-16 17:05:00 UTC
Griefing noobs is fine, as they have nothing to lose and it's harder to grief noobs now than ever before.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#49 - 2013-02-16 19:25:19 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
More proof that NPC corps don't protect newbies in any way and should be removed. PvE alts of aged veterans should be expected to defend themselves at some point.


Could you show me a single killmail where PvE ship wins battle against PvP ship?

Have fun! Because you will spend a lot of time to find one.


When it gets refit in the 24 hr wardec timer. Nicolo's cause célèbre is the elimination of NPC corps for anyone who isn't brand new, so everyone is susceptible to wardec.

Also, plenty of PvE ships win in HS. They survive suicide ganks, causing the gankers to lose.

And a PVE Mach will fairly reliably 1-2 volley a stealth bomber trying to tackle it, so there's that too.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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