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Baiting and Griefing Noobs just outside the Career Agent system
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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#21 - 2013-02-15 21:38:51 UTC
Newies should learn from day 1 what this game is about.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-02-15 22:06:21 UTC
If you really cared, you'd actually deal with the bastard picking on them.

But besides him being a bastard, there's no way to tell if he's not actively recruiting that way.

And yes, many actually do that.
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-02-15 22:09:54 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Newies should learn from day 1 what this game is about.


not shooting stuff?
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-02-15 23:29:43 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Can baiting noobs in a noob system is off limits, pretty much everything else goes (including suicide ganking them, etc.).

If they are getting baited next door, then they aren't really just innocently going over a couple of systems to get to a career agent... if they were then they wouldn't be falling for this. No, they are venturing out on their own for the first time... which is great... but they have to learn not to be stupid at some point. Or at least learn to keep their safeties on and pay attention to the warning messages that pop up until the get a handle on what is going on.

At worst it's simply pathetic, but likely not a major issue in the grand scheme of things.

Actually messing with Noobs in any way in a Rookie System is technically against the rules, according to the GM's that have posted on the forums..

Also this is not venturing out on their own.. many of them are leaving the Starter System ( Where Aura is, where you first spawn ) to the Career agent system where you go to get your first missions.. Both are rookie systems, there is one system in between that isn't. It's a system a new player can't avoid going through the first time.. they jump in, warp to the next game, and get painted by a flashing yellow ship that has another one shooting at it..

On your first day(s) playing the game that would probably get you rattled too.

Also by the second or 3rd mission in several of the paths you need to leave, since people do come and mine out the system within the first hrs after downtime.. It's not that they want to venture out, it's that they have no choice, that or make sure they wake up in the first 4hrs after DT..



Now I'm the first to say I don't know the solution. I don't think Rookies should be harassed early on in and around the career agent/ rookie systems. That said I don't want to make a carebear safe haven either.. Each "solution" I think up has it's fair share of drawbacks too.. I mean this is a PvP game, but people griefing on newbies have no place here imho.. grow some balls and face people that actually can fight back, and know what is going on.
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-02-15 23:32:57 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
If you really cared, you'd actually deal with the bastard picking on them.

But besides him being a bastard, there's no way to tell if he's not actively recruiting that way.

And yes, many actually do that.

I'm an Industrial Char, I have limited combat skills. I have alts that sometimes get involved, but he has corpmates, logi, more sp, and better ships than I.. plus he does it on a regular basis.. so he's better at it than I.

And when it does face more than he can handle, he hides till they go away and them comes back and starts again.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-02-15 23:44:37 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Newies should learn from day 1 what this game is about.




I should agree with this guy. I really think there are not enough people exterminating that fresh vermin.

It's a very good way to spot uninteresting guys to fly with, corp or do whatever with.

It's a very good way to ruin vet's day by killing their new spy/unknown scout alt/cyno.

Kill them all !

Scam them all !

Save EvE !!


Bear

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-02-15 23:48:51 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
And when it does face more than he can handle, he hides till they go away and them comes back and starts again.




You just figured the true colors and face of EvE pvp, everything is done to promote this kind of behavior and protect/reward them.

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-02-16 00:07:42 UTC
He's just welcoming people to Eve, I don't see the problem. Happens in WoW all the time.

He also gives fitting advice.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18843735
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#29 - 2013-02-16 00:10:49 UTC
Easy solution to these guys...make a character designed to bait him into action so he can't jump the gate, then crush him with real PVP ships. If he brings logi, bring snipers. Surely all you white knights of high sec can muster a half-dozen ships to counter one guy.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Dessau
The Scope
#30 - 2013-02-16 02:31:13 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Surely all you white knights of high sec can muster a half-dozen ships to counter one guy.

I admire your optimism.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-02-16 03:08:35 UTC
Well if CCP is interested in keeping new subscriptions then they'll do something about it.

I suppose the best thing you can do is petition and get others to do the same. I mean it is against the rules after all.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#32 - 2013-02-16 03:09:31 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Easy solution to these guys...make a character designed to bait him into action so he can't jump the gate, then crush him with real PVP ships. If he brings logi, bring snipers. Surely all you white knights of high sec can muster a half-dozen ships to counter one guy.


I like your optimism.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-02-16 07:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Sentinel Smith wrote:
In the Rookie systems rookies are supposed to be protected. Yet there are people baiting and griefing on the systems that connect the starter system, to the career agent system..

Take this guy for example -- http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Alejandrom777

Almost all he does is bait and grief noobs.

Even in Noob systems, he was providing Logi for other members of his corp trying to kill rookies outside the Clellinon gate (against the rules.. nothing seems to happen) just a few days ago.. And his he's got loads of kills in Clellinon over the past few months.

He gets reported all the time, by myself, and others. Nothing seems to happen.


As it stands now he gets himself all flashy yellow, has a noob alt/friend shoot him in a noobship, and target locks the new players as they head towards the gate..

So whats the point of the rules ? Rookies need to leave Noob systems to just get to the Career agent system, not to mention to complete the career agent missions ( belts are mined out in at least Clellinon after just a few hrs.. ) and they are being baited and griefed.


So pick a side. Either Rookies are protected, or the sandbox rules apply and they aren't. Cause what we have now is a half-assed system that does no one any good. They still get baited, griefed, and killed completing rookie missions. Or just heading to the career agent system for the first time.

Honestly I don't care which way it goes, I just want the rules to make sense. Because currently they don.t

I agree people who do that are pretty pathetic. I view newbs the way I do ants. I don't even notice them most of the time, much less go out of my way to step on them. I don't think anything should be done about it though. They don't lose anything significant and they learn a valuable lesson about mechanics.

Captain Tardbar wrote:
Well if CCP is interested in keeping new subscriptions then they'll do something about it.

What he means to say is "if CCP is interested in keeping new subscriptions then they'll do absolutely nothing about it because Eve is a sandbox game and freedom is what the new subscriptions are here for".

Captain Tardbar wrote:
I suppose the best thing you can do is petition and get others to do the same. I mean it is against the rules after all.

It isn't against the rules and you need to stop telling people to clog up the petition queue with pointless crap.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-02-16 07:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
More proof that NPC corps don't protect newbies in any way and should be removed. PvE alts of aged veterans should be expected to defend themselves at some point.


Could you show me a single killmail where PvE ship wins battle against PvP ship?

Have fun! Because you will spend a lot of time to find one.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-02-16 07:27:10 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
More proof that NPC corps don't protect newbies in any way and should be removed. PvE alts of aged veterans should be expected to defend themselves at some point.


Could you show me a single killmail where PvE ship wins battle against PvP ship?

Have fun! Because you will spent a lot of time to find one.

It's unusual, but it's happened. I've seen it. There aren't any killmails because PvE ships don't have tackle and the other guy warped away.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-02-16 07:29:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Joran Dravius wrote:
It's unusual, but it's happened. I've seen it. There aren't any killmails because PvE ships don't have tackle and the other guy warped away.


It never happens. PvP ship wins always.

It doesn't matter how OP Mach is, if it's PvE fit, it loses to one Rifter.

Tackle doesn't help. It's not like outrunning a BS is difficult in a frigate.

Apoc max speed with AB: ~290 m/s
Rifter max speed with AB: ~1200 m/s
Rifter max speed with oversized AB: 2000+ m/s
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-02-16 07:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
It's unusual, but it's happened. I've seen it. There aren't any killmails because PvE ships don't have tackle and the other guy warped away.


It never happens. PvP ship wins always.

It doesn't matter how OP Mach is, if it's PvE fit, it loses to one Rifter.

You just keep telling yourself that enough times and it'll become true.

Takseen wrote:
He's just welcoming people to Eve, I don't see the problem. Happens in WoW all the time.

He also gives fitting advice.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18843735

liliput1972 should be banned for what he did to that poor, defenseless talos. I am appalled at the sociopathic cruelty with which he treated it. Evil
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-16 07:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Yeah, looks like this Alejandrom777 guy knows how Talos should be fitted.

I can already see new doctrine!

Joran Dravius wrote:
You just keep telling yourself that enough times and it'll become true.


It doesn't matter how many people think it's false, it's still true. Just accept it.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-02-16 07:49:26 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:

It isn't against the rules and you need to stop telling people to clog up the petition queue with pointless crap.


http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

Kind of implied and specific that it is here. Agree with it? Disagree with it? *shrug* doesn't really matter when its worded like that, does it?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#40 - 2013-02-16 08:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Aren Madigan wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:

It isn't against the rules and you need to stop telling people to clog up the petition queue with pointless crap.


http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

Kind of implied and specific that it is here. Agree with it? Disagree with it? *shrug* doesn't really matter when its worded like that, does it?
Apparently, he's not in starter systems.

@ The OP: As far as doing this is concerned, you either take the the positive from it or you don't. It's not my place to judge them.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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