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Baiting and Griefing Noobs just outside the Career Agent system

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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-15 18:53:08 UTC
In the Rookie systems rookies are supposed to be protected. Yet there are people baiting and griefing on the systems that connect the starter system, to the career agent system..

Take this guy for example -- http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Alejandrom777

Almost all he does is bait and grief noobs.

Even in Noob systems, he was providing Logi for other members of his corp trying to kill rookies outside the Clellinon gate (against the rules.. nothing seems to happen) just a few days ago.. And his he's got loads of kills in Clellinon over the past few months.

He gets reported all the time, by myself, and others. Nothing seems to happen.


As it stands now he gets himself all flashy yellow, has a noob alt/friend shoot him in a noobship, and target locks the new players as they head towards the gate..

So whats the point of the rules ? Rookies need to leave Noob systems to just get to the Career agent system, not to mention to complete the career agent missions ( belts are mined out in at least Clellinon after just a few hrs.. ) and they are being baited and griefed.


So pick a side. Either Rookies are protected, or the sandbox rules apply and they aren't. Cause what we have now is a half-assed system that does no one any good. They still get baited, griefed, and killed completing rookie missions. Or just heading to the career agent system for the first time.

Honestly I don't care which way it goes, I just want the rules to make sense. Because currently they don.t
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-02-15 18:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
More proof that NPC corps don't protect newbies in any way and should be removed. PvE alts of aged veterans should be expected to defend themselves at some point.
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-02-15 18:56:50 UTC
inb4 thread hijack oh...
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#4 - 2013-02-15 18:58:22 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
More proof that NPC corps don't protect newbies in any way and should be removed. PvE alts of aged veterans should be expected to defend themselves at some point.


I have the utmost respect for you and this expressed opinion.

Thank you.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2013-02-15 19:31:39 UTC
Instead of hiding in his impeneterable fortress of NPC corp and simply standing idley by and watching this happen, OP has decided to take matters into his own hands and form up a corp to combat this scourge and in the process further the EvE community by recuiting the new players he helps and/or giving them friendly advise or actively helping them to avoid this kind of bait.

oh wait.... he kind of went with the complete opposite and posted in GD.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#6 - 2013-02-15 20:05:02 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
EvE


Failure to comply with the Respect the EVE directive. Your soul is in jeopardy. The Jovian will use your frozen corpse for experimentation.

Thank you.

Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#7 - 2013-02-15 20:19:52 UTC
This is the part where you- as a concerned citizen, take matters into your own hands
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#8 - 2013-02-15 20:24:30 UTC
I've seen this before and CCP's response was to the effect of "can baiting is kosher so long as it isn't done in the exact same station your toon is born in." Since that is not the tutorial agent station (EVA sends you to the tutorial agent station at the end of her own tutorial) it's considered "fair game play."

Not saying I agree with this, just saying CCP does.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2013-02-15 20:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Sentinel Smith wrote:
In the Rookie systems rookies are supposed to be protected. Yet there are people baiting and griefing on the systems that connect the starter system, to the career agent system..

Take this guy for example -- http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Alejandrom777

Almost all he does is bait and grief noobs.

Even in Noob systems, he was providing Logi for other members of his corp trying to kill rookies outside the Clellinon gate (against the rules.. nothing seems to happen) just a few days ago.. And his he's got loads of kills in Clellinon over the past few months.

He gets reported all the time, by myself, and others. Nothing seems to happen.


As it stands now he gets himself all flashy yellow, has a noob alt/friend shoot him in a noobship, and target locks the new players as they head towards the gate..

So whats the point of the rules ? Rookies need to leave Noob systems to just get to the Career agent system, not to mention to complete the career agent missions ( belts are mined out in at least Clellinon after just a few hrs.. ) and they are being baited and griefed.


So pick a side. Either Rookies are protected, or the sandbox rules apply and they aren't. Cause what we have now is a half-assed system that does no one any good. They still get baited, griefed, and killed completing rookie missions. Or just heading to the career agent system for the first time.

Honestly I don't care which way it goes, I just want the rules to make sense. Because currently they don.t

Can baiting noobs in a noob system is off limits, pretty much everything else goes (including suicide ganking them, etc.).

If they are getting baited next door, then they aren't really just innocently going over a couple of systems to get to a career agent... if they were then they wouldn't be falling for this. No, they are venturing out on their own for the first time... which is great... but they have to learn not to be stupid at some point. Or at least learn to keep their safeties on and pay attention to the warning messages that pop up until the get a handle on what is going on.

At worst it's simply pathetic, but likely not a major issue in the grand scheme of things.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2013-02-15 20:32:27 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Sentinel Smith wrote:
So pick a side. Either Rookies are protected, or the sandbox rules apply and they aren't. Cause what we have now is a half-assed system that does no one any good. They still get baited, griefed, and killed completing rookie missions. Or just heading to the career agent system for the first time.


Inside a Rookie system, rookies are protected*. Outside of a Rookie system, nobody is protected.

*Which is problematic, because non-rookies are not protected there, leading to confusion as players have no means to reliably tell who is a rookie and who is not.

Which is why, last time this topic rolled around, I suggested that, quite simply, everyone be protected in Rookie systems with the same protective rules as rookies. Makes it easier to enforce, too.


I expect the same people who spent the last thread on this shouting at me, claiming that I want the change in order to further my supposed agenda of griefing newbies, to be back shouting at me in this thread.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#11 - 2013-02-15 20:37:07 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Sentinel Smith wrote:
So pick a side. Either Rookies are protected, or the sandbox rules apply and they aren't. Cause what we have now is a half-assed system that does no one any good. They still get baited, griefed, and killed completing rookie missions. Or just heading to the career agent system for the first time.


Inside a Rookie system, rookies are protected*. Outside of a Rookie system, nobody is protected.

*Which is problematic, because non-rookies are not protected there, leading to confusion as players have no means to reliably tell who is a rookie and who is not.

Which is why, last time this topic rolled around, I suggested that, quite simply, everyone be protected in Rookie systems with the same protective rules as rookies. Makes it easier to enforce, too.


I expect the same people who spent the last thread on this shouting at me, claiming that I want the change in order to further my supposed agenda of griefing newbies, to be back shouting at me in this thread.

Hmmm, but don't you think that would lead to dense populations of "Super Carebears" in those systems?

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-02-15 20:53:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Ranger 1 wrote:
Hmmm, but don't you think that would lead to dense populations of "Super Carebears" in those systems?


Quote:
Rookies need to leave Noob systems to just get to the Career agent system, not to mention to complete the career agent missions ( belts are mined out in at least Clellinon after just a few hrs.. ) and they are being baited and griefed.
"Lead to"? Try "continue". Dec shields, corphopping, NPC corps, etc are great for the vets mining the rookie systems dry, and those murdering the rookies one jump out of system, not so much for the rookies the systems, belts and NPC corp protections were intended for.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#13 - 2013-02-15 20:54:37 UTC
Instance NPE.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#14 - 2013-02-15 21:01:08 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Hmmm, but don't you think that would lead to dense populations of "Super Carebears" in those systems?

Just ban exhumers and mining barges from rookie and adjacent systems and move the first agents at least two jumps out. Lazy is going to win.

Remove standings and insurance.

HellBent KillingSpree
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-02-15 21:02:28 UTC
I just read the title of this thread and thought "that sounds like fun, ill give that a try" . I could not be bothered to read your posts tho.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#16 - 2013-02-15 21:03:24 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Hmmm, but don't you think that would lead to dense populations of "Super Carebears" in those systems?


They're welcome to their 1hr/day of small rock Veld mining, no belt rats, and no missions in a "station" that "undocks" you 15km away from the docking ring if you want to leave.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#17 - 2013-02-15 21:18:07 UTC
Fair points. Smile

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Renzo Ruderi
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-15 21:21:35 UTC
It'd be nice if people, some day, began realizing how stupid they sound using the word "noob."
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
#19 - 2013-02-15 21:31:40 UTC
I do hope some RPers notice your post and form a Space Ranger protective society to hunt down the miscreants. Sounds like a fun job for some new-ish players in cheap frigates.
Kathern Aurilen
#20 - 2013-02-15 21:38:35 UTC
Renzo Ruderi wrote:
It'd be nice if people, some day, began realizing how stupid they sound using the word "noob."
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