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Calling CSM member Kelduum to Resign

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#21 - 2013-02-15 21:10:21 UTC
Shouldn't this be in assembly hall or somewhere where people actually care about the lolCSM.


Also don't vote for Malcanis.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#22 - 2013-02-15 21:14:06 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Also don't vote for Malcanis.


Just who do you think you are to say I shouldn't vote for Malcanis! I'll vote for him JUST TO SPITE YOU!!!

MUAHAHAHA.

-Liang

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-15 21:18:26 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
kelduum wasn't trying to get involved as a csm member, he was trying to get involved as 'a guy whose corp received some isk from another guy this one time'

apart from that, this thread is late and a massive overreaction

He should still resign for being a massive carebear.


Carebears represent a large portion of the EVE player base. As such, carebears need a rep on the CSM.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2013-02-15 21:26:47 UTC
Garia666 wrote:
why should he leave?

i would seriously doubt CCP in this case.
As in many other cases they end up being comunism.

its all in the name i guess

I don't think anyone here doubts that CCP presented the facts of the matter.

Whether his need to pester CCP about it stems from his position on the CSM, his position as the leader of a well known noob friendly training corp, or his own personal ego it really doesn't matter. This was a trivial matter, and something of a wake up call for him with no harm done.

Everyone can make mistakes, and everyone can get a bt full of themselves from time to time. That is hardly cause for a call for resignation of either his CSM postion or his CEO position.

People that get worked up calling for his head are being just as stupid as those who got worked up at CCP for banning the botter and confiscating the ISK to begin with.

Seemingly the main industry in EvE is turning mole hills into mountains, and the main pass time is starting tempests in tea cups.

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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#25 - 2013-02-15 21:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Yonis Kador
Kelduum doesn't need to resign but he should be embarassed at the way he tried to blackball CCP. If a player gave me 500 billion isk and CCP took it, I'd do everything humanly possible to get it back too. If he truly believed that the actions in question didn't violate the EULA and that he was wronged, then who are we to judge him or call for his resignation? Was he acting in the best interests of his corp (by trying to reacquire assets) and the player base (by questioning a "because we said so" grab of assets)? Probably. I've learned more about cache scraping in the past week than ... well, ever. It's what came next that sucks. The vindictive 3rd party negative press is inexcusable. And for that either his corp or the next CSM election will decide his fate without need of any pitchforks and torches from us.

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Sara Mars
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-02-16 00:45:26 UTC

"Everyone can make mistakes, and everyone can get a bt full of themselves from time to time. That is hardly cause for a call for resignation of either his CSM postion or his CEO position."


Guess you would say the same about the CEO's of Lehman Brothers and AIG....
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#27 - 2013-02-16 02:52:26 UTC
Sara Mars wrote:

"Everyone can make mistakes, and everyone can get a bt full of themselves from time to time. That is hardly cause for a call for resignation of either his CSM postion or his CEO position."


Guess you would say the same about the CEO's of Lehman Brothers and AIG....

I am sure Hitler was full of himself too, would you excuse him?

Also the directors of the fake moon landing, where probably full of themselves, would you forgive them?

Also the first person to screw a monkey and give humans AIDS was probably full of himself, would you just let that off the hook too?

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ISD Tyrozan
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ISD Alliance
#28 - 2013-02-16 03:46:36 UTC
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Ai Shun
#29 - 2013-02-16 04:31:25 UTC
Sara Mars wrote:
Guess you would say the same about the CEO's of Lehman Brothers and AIG....


When you start making real life comparisons about a video game and expecting the same standards of accountability in a video game designed for backstabbing, extortion and so forth then you're clearly taking it a bit too seriously.

If somebody gave me 350,000,000,000 ISK and CCP took it all away I'd bloody well be asking them if I couldn't keep just a little bit of it too. Even if just to keep on putting bounties on clear, bad poasting forum alts.
Torakenat
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-02-16 07:17:53 UTC
Sara Mars wrote:

"Everyone can make mistakes, and everyone can get a bt full of themselves from time to time. That is hardly cause for a call for resignation of either his CSM postion or his CEO position."


Guess you would say the same about the CEO's of Lehman Brothers and AIG....


please don't try to compare apples to oranges.

ceo's of lehman brothers and aig began their endeavors with criminal intent.

Kel was put in an awkward position by the real culprit. At what point do you stop defending a friend and take the side of the prosecution?

I truely don't feel Kel's position was out of greed rather than over the deviation of process and what's considered (based on the limited info he had on hand) what's breaking the rules and what wasn't.

This petition does not serve anything. However, kel's recent experience should be looked at as a learning experience. Not just for kel but all corp leaders regardless if they are csm or not.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#31 - 2013-02-16 07:36:32 UTC
He was simply too deep in the forest, to see the trees. Nothing more.

Can we move on now?

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-02-16 09:35:47 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Also don't vote for Malcanis.


Just who do you think you are to say I shouldn't vote for Malcanis! I'll vote for him JUST TO SPITE YOU!!!

MUAHAHAHA.

-Liang

in all honesty, next CSM should consist of Malcanis and clones of Malcanis only.


and probably Mag's too.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#33 - 2013-02-16 20:14:38 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Sara Mars wrote:

"Everyone can make mistakes, and everyone can get a bt full of themselves from time to time. That is hardly cause for a call for resignation of either his CSM postion or his CEO position."


Guess you would say the same about the CEO's of Lehman Brothers and AIG....

I am sure ****** was full of himself too, would you excuse him?

Also the directors of the fake moon landing, where probably full of themselves, would you forgive them?

Also the first person to screw a monkey and give humans AIDS was probably full of himself, would you just let that off the hook too?

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People that get worked up calling for his head are being just as stupid as those who got worked up at CCP for banning the botter and confiscating the ISK to begin with.


I rest my case. SmileSmileSmileSmile

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#34 - 2013-02-18 08:43:23 UTC
Kelduums an utter tool but he wasn't acting from any kind of CSM position, just from a "I'm a bloody tool" position
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#35 - 2013-02-18 14:59:01 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I'd settle for him resigning as CEO of Eve University. I'd like to see Eve University actually teach people how to play Eve.

-Liang
+1.

But... He's teaching them how to create dramas. Isn't that how to really play EVE ?

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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-02-20 20:33:21 UTC
Having read pretty much the full account, I don't agree with the OP.

Kelduum has legitimate concerns with the way the security team operates, he is well within his rights to question their lack of oversight.
Agustice Arterius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-02-23 20:36:59 UTC
Seems like that entire article was written in the "CCP is right" instead of the "CCP is probably right, but has been wrong before". way that most articles talked about this.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#38 - 2013-02-25 08:41:33 UTC
Sara Mars wrote:
You need to go


What was the name of your Goon main, again?

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Kelleris
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#39 - 2013-03-07 16:40:36 UTC
Sigh... this post...
CCP, can we please have "dislike" buttons? This is not facebook.
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