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Align without forward momentum
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Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-15 16:07:28 UTC
I would like the ability to align my ship without creating forward momentum, basically firing thrusters until I was aligned, but keeping me in one place. There may already be a way to do this.
Hae Sung
#2 - 2013-02-15 16:10:44 UTC
Quintessen wrote:
I would like the ability to align my ship without creating forward momentum, basically firing thrusters until I was aligned, but keeping me in one place. There may already be a way to do this.


This would serve no functional purpose aside from visual.

If you are at a stop then the game treats your ship as taking equal amounts of time to warp to any object. Effectively a nuetral allignment. The turning effect that you witness when you are stopped actually takes no time away from the total time to warp.

If its just the visual thing you want to achieve, allign to the object in question then hit the stop command. (ctrl-space bar by default) and you'll be "alligned" without moving to the object.
DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
#3 - 2013-02-15 16:13:54 UTC
Quintessen wrote:
I would like the ability to align my ship without creating forward momentum, basically firing thrusters until I was aligned, but keeping me in one place. There may already be a way to do this.


You have to be at a certain percentage of your top speed to go into warp. I'm not sure how your suggestion could be implemented without completely changing warp mechanics, which would be total overkill.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-15 16:31:09 UTC
Hae Sung wrote:
This would serve no functional purpose aside from visual.


Sure it would.

First, I couldn't tell you the number of times (living out of a POS in WH space) I go to align only to get hung up on all the freakin POS mods. I have to be within 3000m to use them but then you are often to close to align without getting hung up (tedious).

Second, with some stations I have had similar issues when trying to align something big (orca or freighter). The align time is so slow that by the time you are ready to warp you actually run into the station itself.

Lastly, it would allow drone pilots to remain aligned while using sentry drones. While as a drone pilot I would personally love this, I would say it would be a bit OP.

That being said, this only serves a purpose if the act of being aligned without momentum would actually let you warp faster (ie your speed didn't have to be X to initiate warp). Otherwise then yes it is only visual.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#5 - 2013-02-15 16:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Hae Sung wrote:
Quintessen wrote:
I would like the ability to align my ship without creating forward momentum, basically firing thrusters until I was aligned, but keeping me in one place. There may already be a way to do this.


This would serve no functional purpose aside from visual.

If you are at a stop then the game treats your ship as taking equal amounts of time to warp to any object. Effectively a nuetral allignment. The turning effect that you witness when you are stopped actually takes no time away from the total time to warp.

If its just the visual thing you want to achieve, allign to the object in question then hit the stop command. (ctrl-space bar by default) and you'll be "alligned" without moving to the object.

That is quite wrong. I've witnessed lots of moments when ship didnt warp @75% of speed from full stop if you have to do 180degree turn (varies) at the same time. It was more like 85-90% sometimes even 100% and ship warp outs with a 2-3 sec delay. Which makes me think that heavy but fast ships (Machariel) suffer from their speed in that situation: higher acceleration (not agility) quickly reduces their angular speed resulting in longer time to warp.

Also aligning to object and stopping ship will break alignment toward that object because game rotates your ship in some generic direction on full stop.

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Tweaks Huren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-02-15 16:42:07 UTC
Quintessen wrote:
I would like the ability to align my ship without creating forward momentum, basically firing thrusters until I was aligned, but keeping me in one place. There may already be a way to do this.


I agree, this would make all the difference in the world for very large and slow moving ships that take a long time to accelerate and stop.

+1
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#7 - 2013-02-15 16:57:39 UTC
Unfortunately, due to the way warp apparently works, alignment means direction + movement. If you're not moving, you're not aligned to anything. Or perhaps you're aligned to everything. The little graphic ship doll is nothing more than a picture, and the way it's pointed means nothing to the warp system. Where it points is decided by your movement, not the other way around. It's the invisible sphere beneath it that aligns, and being a sphere, it needs to be moving toward something to work, since by definition it can't be pointed at anything.
Tweaks Huren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-02-15 17:10:07 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Unfortunately, due to the way warp apparently works, alignment means direction + movement. If you're not moving, you're not aligned to anything. Or perhaps you're aligned to everything. The little graphic ship doll is nothing more than a picture, and the way it's pointed means nothing to the warp system. Where it points is decided by your movement, not the other way around. It's the invisible sphere beneath it that aligns, and being a sphere, it needs to be moving toward something to work, since by definition it can't be pointed at anything.

Ahh... I see. Didn't think it worked that way.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#9 - 2013-02-15 17:26:11 UTC
Tweaks Huren wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Unfortunately, due to the way warp apparently works, alignment means direction + movement. If you're not moving, you're not aligned to anything. Or perhaps you're aligned to everything. The little graphic ship doll is nothing more than a picture, and the way it's pointed means nothing to the warp system. Where it points is decided by your movement, not the other way around. It's the invisible sphere beneath it that aligns, and being a sphere, it needs to be moving toward something to work, since by definition it can't be pointed at anything.

Ahh... I see. Didn't think it worked that way.
Yea that's how it works and why it's pointless to be passively aligned to anything. If you are at a dead stop no matter which direction you point, you'll get into warp at exactly the same time.

Many don't realise this.

As far as the OP is concerned, sounds like a way to have your cake and eat it. Sitting still with insta warp. Not a fan, sorry.

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