EVE General Discussion

i didn't say it was a problem. i just said that you could fit for max yield and still be unprofitable to gank.
if some one wants to gank you, then they can. they just can't do it for profit, as per CCP's intention.



oh my mistake, i thought he wanted to make more isk.

i really must stop thinking people want to make the most isk/hour from an isk making activity...

actually, take a look at the numbers again.

the ONLY high sec ore to have more than 35% volume for the hulk is kernite.
the rest have less than 30%. with the other covetor seeing as much use as the skiff and the procurer (which, is close to nothing) then where's the other 70% going?

the only other options that are left are the ships fit for cargo bay. so no, the hulk isn't really the money maker of exhumers overall. in fact, the increase in popularity of the retriever shows that exhumers no longer have an iron clad claim to being "money makers".

the only place hulks are seeing significant use is on high end ores, thus, outside of high sec. guess what doesn't matter in non-concord space? can flipping, and ehp.
it's not difficult to see why the numbers are as they are. however saying the hulk is still the money maker, is far from true in high sec. as this thread is about ganking, high sec is the only sec that is relevant here.

Let me turn that around for you.

When miners have access to a fleet (meaning: ample cargo space), why are they STILL opting to mine in Mackinaws?

Hulks 'supposed' to be the clear choice in a fleet setting.

Answer: ******, rushed, balancing by CCP. They literally tripped over their own dicks in an effort to kill Hulkaggeddon.

Cargo, Tank, Yield.
Hulk is 3rd, 3rd, and 1st.
Mack is 1st, 2nd, and 2nd.
Skiff is 2nd, 1st, and very narrowly 3rd.

Easiest fix would be to swap the Hulks' EHP for the Macks'.
That would balance AFK cargo convenience against increased ganking risk.
High yield of Hulk is already offset by small cargo hold micro-requirement.

But miners will cry because they want their one-size fits all Mackinaws.

Essentially, miners don't want actual balance - they just want less ganking and easier profits.
CCP seems to be taking a similar position. Balance is less important than whiny carebear subs, even if it leads to more botting and rampant ISBoxing.

swapping the ehp is a sensible and common suggestion, one i fully agree with.
it makes sense for two reasons, as above with the fact that the mack has the worst of nothing and the hulk has worst of two things. also every cargo module reduces ehp, so why does the mackinaw not have the lowest hp as if the cargo were expanded by normal means?



you know you just typed out a whole load of crap, right?

buying and selling ships has nothing to do with whether or not it's profitable to gank an exhumer.

Eh, don't bother. Jorma has been posting for years now.
Wasn' t the sharpest tool in the shed before, nothings changed.

Tutoring Jorma in economics is like showing a chicken the Space Shuttle.

You forgot that some people can get Tech for free.

I live in Genesis, and like you, have seen a rise in ganking. I think lots of small timers and new players are getting into it. Which is actually very cool because they have made some mistakes and the "miners" have started to fight back a bit. I heard a story where a couple of gank fit cats got reverse ganked by a handful of frigs operated by miners. Which would just be cool if true.

As for mining in peace, have you thought about lowsec? When I get the urge to punch rocks I fit a cloak on my covetor if the pipe is busy, usually its slow enough that I just stay aligned though and keep my finger over the warp button if someone enters system. The yield isn't as good as grind mining in high, but its a lot more fun, and the rats are worth more so that helps.

Anyway, your not imagining things even if its not on the rise everywhere there is a trend happening.

I now must go and buy a skiff and then go and shoot billboards.

For you economy means "only lazy people can earn money".

In other words (in EVE):
Economy: ganker gets profit
Non-economy: miner/trader/manufacturer gets profit