EVE General Discussion

There not requried but its easier to have an alt than try to organise another player to do something tedious like haul or whatever.

I have 5 accounts will all characters slots filled except 1 :)

In a very real sense, Eve is 'pay to win'.

Because players who fork out the cash for those extra accounts have a massive advantage especially in low/null sec and even more so when caps and supers are involved.

What advantage do they have that someone cannot get without paying a cent?

Extra accounts? Make Friends and you'll have the same number of accounts and not take the efficiency hit you take from multiboxing.

I have an alt who is in 0.0, but I never felt that I needed two characters. I just like having one who doesn't get caught up in all the drama of the 0.0 lifestyle so when this one is in highsec the other is in 0.0 and vice versa so I can take a break from that.

not required. just really really helps.

one of the accidental beauties of EVE is it is made in a way that allows multiple clients controlled by the same person.

multi-monitor gaming wasn't a "thing" and screen resolution wasn't very high in 2003, so there's no way CCP saw alt gameplay happening from the beginning, unless they have some people with -really- great vision

There are some "jobs" in Eve that no one really wants to do. Hauling, fleet boosting, that kind of stuff. For people who play the game long enough to need those things done regularly, they often pick up an alt or two.

There are no jobs in EVE (or anywhere) that no one really wants to do. There are only some jobs that no one really wants to do for the amount of compensation that they will get for doing them. I don't just mean dollars or ISK, either. A "hero tackler" in a Rifter gets a hundred pats on the back for landing point on a carrier before it can jump out, but an industry player probably can't even get someone in a Rifter to scout for him for two jumps, not even after he mines enough tritanium to build a damn carrier. And, when he dies because nobody was willing to scout for him in his industrial ship, he'll probably get [expletive deleted] at. In such a circumstance, ask yourself why "no one wants to do" those jobs, like mining, hauling, building, etc.

It gets worse when other people start up alts to do those jobs, because a PVP player doesn't really care about tritanium or blueprint copies or ISK/jump ratios. When he does an industrialists' job, he will devalue it. It's all just extra ISK for his main to play with, anyway. He's not playing hauler because he likes it. He will just skill the alt to do the task at maximum efficiency, and then perform that service free of charge for his main character. And, some noob miner or hauler or industrialist cannot compete with a super specialized alt character that is doing the same job for free and is completely trusted (because he is his own client) and who has the dedicated support of all your other characters. It is at this point that we can safely say the game is broken.

Imagine the cost of tritanium without alts, or the cost of datacores, or the price to have your stuff hauled around. Imagine how valuable a noob in a suicide scouting ship would be if you didn't have your alt 5 jumps ahead in a covops. Imagine how valuable other players would be if you didn't have the ability to do everything yourself at maximum efficiency. Imagine the concepts of teamwork and trust in the context of such an interdependent system.

tl;dr: Alts are taking all the jerbs.

It would Be Interesting to see Eve without Alts.

I'd guess it would be like Diving into a Wormhole with a Bunch of New Players ;)

That's where you go off the rails. Most people who run alts for income do not consider the minerals they mine(trade ISK they earn, Hauling time they spend, etc) to be free.

Hauling is a low income/hr profession because it can be an incredibly high income/effort profession (Accept contract, undock, press the A butan, collect ISK) and has a very low risk of loss.



By the way, the Hero tackler did a service for the group. What service to the group is the miner doing?

Anyway, you know what happens when you do one of those jobs well?* You get noticed and singled out for those same accolades you claim are the exclusive domain of the Hero tackle.

*Even mining, though that tends to be more of a group accolade, unless you're running dozens of accounts.