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My implants are keeping me from PvP. Little help?
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-02-18 01:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Daichi Yamato wrote:
just like here its a load of risk averse players wanting to have all the benefits with no compromise.



By the looks of your character name I'm sure you "Banzai" on every group of ships you find out even knowing you're gonna die without killing one of them, because you're not a risk averse guy right?

And also because you're not a risk averse guy you don't use safe spots to gtfo is things turn bad for you.

You always pvp with HG Slave or Chrystal and named implants because you're not a risk averse guy, right?

And because you're not a risk averse guy I'm sure you always faction/officer fit your pvp ships, amirite again?

So you, the not risk averse uber player, can for once give us some lessons of humility indeed.

Edit: Ho I just forgot you don't use OGB neither because you're so awesome not risk averse guy, right again?

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-02-18 01:49:19 UTC
Roime wrote:
That said, I could afford to pvp in full +5s. The training time gain they provide is however not worth it. In fact net gain from using them is 0 SP in the first year.


While the difference gain in between +4's and +5's is very small, I wouldn't say using +4's vs 0 implants brings no gain and it's unworthy.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#83 - 2013-02-18 02:57:29 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
just like here its a load of risk averse players wanting to have all the benefits with no compromise.



By the looks of your character name I'm sure you "Banzai" on every group of ships you find out even knowing you're gonna die without killing one of them, because you're not a risk averse guy right?

And also because you're not a risk averse guy you don't use safe spots to gtfo is things turn bad for you.

You always pvp with HG Slave or Chrystal and named implants because you're not a risk averse guy, right?

And because you're not a risk averse guy I'm sure you always faction/officer fit your pvp ships, amirite again?

So you, the not risk averse uber player, can for once give us some lessons of humility indeed.

Edit: Ho I just forgot you don't use OGB neither because you're so awesome not risk averse guy, right again?


what is this post even trying to say? the original poster wants the benefits of +5 implants, but none of the costs associated with it. trying to suggest ur training is gimped because u have +4's for a few days instead of +5's is just insulting to ones own intelligence.

u PvE with ur slaves? ur a genius! i've never owned a set of slaves or crystals, ive never had enough money to spend on such items. Nor a faction fit anything. I have a rattler that is a remnant from wealthier days and has a single faction omni tracker (oh sh!). I've never plugged in anything higher than a +4 or 3% implant. every implant beyond them has been sold to fund PvP. i can hand on heart say i've never had anything higher than a 4bil wallet, and that was from my unemployed days. it didnt last long.

I DO "Banzai" into fights, my most expensive clone is my PvP clone. **** K/d ratios, **** isk/loss ratios. at least i get out and have fun rather than crying that the items i bought and used of my own free will are preventing me from doing what i want to do. OGB? if i could afford it pal

get over urself.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#84 - 2013-02-18 07:04:03 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Roime wrote:
That said, I could afford to pvp in full +5s. The training time gain they provide is however not worth it. In fact net gain from using them is 0 SP in the first year.


While the difference gain in between +4's and +5's is very small, I wouldn't say using +4's vs 0 implants brings no gain and it's unworthy.




Surely, but what's the problem? Two +4s are practically free.

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androch
LitlCorp
#85 - 2013-02-18 08:02:07 UTC
use a jump clone or self destruct there now you have an empty pvp clone
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2013-02-18 10:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinigr Shadowsong
Naomi Anthar wrote:
I once propsed idea to remove attribute implants completly. That would make hundreds of people just start to pvp or pve in low/null whenever they want. They would be ok with possibility of losing the ship , paying for clone etc. But they are not ok with losing training time. I can understand this.

Keep only implants like Slaves, Crystals etc ... You want to buff yourself in pvp , pve with implants ? Still possible. But placing mandatory(let's be honest) implants in your head is kinda worst thing that happend to pvp. People are ok with losing clone, pvp frigate along with fit worth maybe 10kk but are quiet not ok with losing 500kk in implants along with pitiful 10kk frigate.

Noone can put reasonable argument behind damn attribute implants. Just rise all attributes for all toons across the board +5. Gj now why train cybernetics ? Plenty of reasons : slaves, crystals , snakes , genoltuion, skill hardwire.

Give this game best change ever - remove attributes implant. You do this and i will pvp EVERY SINGLE DAY. I will provide you many KM's every single day. But cba to lose training time becuase i have to sit in damn jump clone. Wow damn 24h jump clone. It's not even about time i don't want jump clones at all. Remove them along with attribute implants.

Whoever thinks it's bad idea must really be out of this world. You don't want those carebears jump into low sec in GREAT NUMBERS ? Because now all they risk is thier ship and clone ? You don't want number of pvping people doubled,tripled or even more ? Really you don't want ? If not keep those implants and keep those people in high sec because of that. I would do pve content in low sec and pvp all the time if you would remove those bloody implants. Now i do travel to low sec but not very often and try not to pvp - usually on pve bussiness - mostly short ones.


I agree with this your post completely. (+5) or (+4) to all Attributes and removal of outdated learning implants will bring more PvP. A set of +4 keeped me out of low/null sec for my first few months.

As for Jump Clones - QoL level reduction to 23h would be enough to keep it from creeping. Something like a new skill that reduce time between JC usage by 1% per level. Reducing it more would affect balance too much.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-02-18 12:05:35 UTC
Roime wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Roime wrote:
That said, I could afford to pvp in full +5s. The training time gain they provide is however not worth it. In fact net gain from using them is 0 SP in the first year.


While the difference gain in between +4's and +5's is very small, I wouldn't say using +4's vs 0 implants brings no gain and it's unworthy.




Surely, but what's the problem? Two +4s are practically free.


Even if the value for you or me of those +4's is different from other players, it's a sandbox, we don't play all the same way in the same areas, we're not all special nerds 12h a day getting internet props or e-honor, you know this.

I'm not for the removal of attributes implants but for changes on clones prices and JC timers, it's not the same thing.

My answer to your post was just to point out there's a significant difference in between +4's and zero implants, not to address if someone should pvp with or not.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-02-18 12:12:40 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
what is this post even trying to say?


That you're as much risk averse than everyone else around, not more not less. Your acceptance level for risk might be higher or lower than me or another one around but doesn't makes you any better, just a different risk averse nerd.

How hard it is to uderstand what a sandbox is?

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Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-02-18 15:01:26 UTC
While I already agreed to just go out and try it and return back to see how it is I would like to make this follow up statement to those still discussing it.

I try very hard to make sure that when I'm arguing against an idea, I try to think of how it would be detrimental to myself, the game as a whole, or how it would cost too much development time.

A person saying they don't think I should have it just because isn't an argument. If the rule isn't targeted to a specific person or pointed very precisely to a small group of people is there for the benefit for many, not one.

You may have convinced me to just go try it, but there are tons of people who don't read the forums. You cannot adjust social realities by principle. They must be adjusted by policy. If the current game mechanics are keeping a lot of people out a new policy must be put in place. Either something that communicates the same conversation here, but more likely an adjustment to jump clone rules or implants. Ultimately it will be up to CCP to figure out what they want to do here based upon the metrics involved. But you cannot wish people to change their behavior en masse.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-02-18 18:33:47 UTC
Remove them, make more jump clones, or toughen up and fly with less then optimal implants.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#91 - 2013-02-19 18:45:38 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:

How hard it is to uderstand what a sandbox is?


u dnt have to use the most expensive implants. u dnt have to use implants at all.

but u can if u want and are willing to accept the costs. its a choice that has consequences.

what is un-sandbox-like about that?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs