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I wanted to try mining in high sec but I've got a few questions

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-03-06 18:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Styth spiting
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:


Styth, your idea with dropping containers in several belts is not bad! Like that and will try this the next times, when our fleet exceeds 5 Hulks, which usually happens during weekend. Could make it much more comfortable. Have there been a topic / discussin about this already because at the moment I have never checked the use of the new container size.


There was a topic when the freighter changes happened where I posted quite a bit of details on how great the new functionality would be.

Basically large mining ops have a much greater availability to them, and people who run large mining ops should really consider rethinking how they have done their mining ops in the past.

The best approach would be to pre-setup before, or at least at the beginning of the op have a fast frigate go to each belt and get into the warp position where you want the miners at (optimial distance for strips, drones, away from warp in, etc). Freighter warps in, drops a can and sets a corp book mark (and or saves several to dump into a JC for non-corp miners). Once cans are dropped you can position miners over several belts, keeping the numbers at 4 or less (1 for each ore type).

Not only does this take care of the huge losses of cross mining roids (15% on average to lost cycles), it also removes the need of having miners wait around in belts with nothing to mine while someone setups up a warp in position, allows players to warp to a new belt once their ore type is gone, you have the added bonus of having the ability to deal with much more storage.

Afraid of can flipping? Just have the freighter always warping between belts every few minutes. And once a belt is done the frighter picks up the can (with ore inside) and drops it off at station.

And i'm sure someone will comment on rats. Well now that rats target the most hostile ship in the belt if you have 3 miners with mining drones and 1 with hobgoblins, the rats will target the miner with hobgoblins first.


Oh and the comment about an Orca being better because its cheaper; chances are a corp doing a mining op with a large group of players will all ready have a freighter. A 10 miner setup will be generating 1,500,000M3 of ore per hour, or about almost 10 orca loads, and chances are after a 10 hour mining op no one will want to deal with 40 Orca loads of minerals to move to sell at a trade hub. So since they have it they might as well use it.
Dave Stark
#42 - 2013-03-06 19:51:07 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Oh and the comment about an Orca being better because its cheaper; chances are a corp doing a mining op with a large group of players will all ready have a freighter. A 10 miner setup will be generating 1,500,000M3 of ore per hour, or about almost 10 orca loads, and chances are after a 10 hour mining op no one will want to deal with 40 Orca loads of minerals to move to sell at a trade hub. So since they have it they might as well use it.


cheaper wasn't the only reason, it was just one in long list of reasons.

your numbers are slightly off, but not enough for me to bother throwing new numbers in to it so i'll just take yours at face value since they're good enough for the sake of discussion.

10 orca loads per hour is 1 orca load every 6 mins? that's easy to handle, orca pilot doesn't even need to break a sweat.
loading and unloading is two warps and two sets of ore transfers, that's one warp and an ore transfer every 3 mins? that's less attention than the miners have to pay unloading cargo every 2 mins... hell, i'll be the orca pilot, i can be lazier than the miners.

we're simply also overlooking one thing; i've yet to encounter a belt that has enough ore to sustain a mining operation that size, for that long (one hour). obviously i speak from personal experience here; but i've never found a belt that could fill a charon in high sec, even on a day when all the asteroids are "fully" respawned [although thinking about it, there must be some that can do that]. that means your freighter will either be idling, or flying partially empty... which simply isn't efficient.

as for moving things to a trade hub, i haven't totally checked the maths, but i'm almost certain i can mine more isk worth of ore in the time it would take me to fly a charon full of minerals to jita, and back to my mining system than it would cost me to contract it to red frog.

please, don't mistake me for saying "NEVER EVER USE FREIGHTERS FOR MINING OPS, IF YOU DO YOU ARE A BAD PERSON WHO MURDERS KITTENS."
I'm simply saying unless you have a spare freighter pilot knocking around that can't fly a mining ship (be it a retriver, or an orca, or any of the other mining ships), the orca does the exact same job, and still has stuff left over to offer.

the only time i'd say you definitely need a freighter, because the orca doesn't get the job done, would be one hauler for multiple mining operations. find a system with 20+ belts, stick 4-8 miners + a freight container in a belt, have an off grid orca boosting them all, then systematically fly through all the belts collecting all of the freight containers. that is the only time i'd say "definitely use a freighter". personally, i've never seen an operation that size (but i'd love to see one like that)
Dave Stark
#43 - 2013-03-06 19:53:08 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
And i'm sure someone will comment on rats. Well now that rats target the most hostile ship in the belt if you have 3 miners with mining drones and 1 with hobgoblins, the rats will target the miner with hobgoblins first.


just reread this and i thought i'd comment on it; not sure if this only happens to me, but the rats seem to REALLY like my orca. 100% of the time, they will target the orca first. i don't know why, but that seems to be the case, even if all ships have combat drones out. having said that, i haven't tried the orca with mining drones since i haven't gotten around to training those on my orca pilot yet.
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#44 - 2013-03-11 15:16:13 UTC
empty system and freighters.

try to do that with a 2nd orca, you wont find anyone.

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