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Threshold for ganking a Freighter should be higher? Discuss
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#121 - 2013-05-15 08:39:16 UTC
Ocih wrote:
The packaged M3 for Carriers and Dread's are not really a valued number in the game. No ship can carry them when they are packaged and they will never be undocked in that state. They come in at 1,000,000 M3 packaged. If that number were pushed up to 2 mill or even 5 it wouldn't matter one way or the other in terms of how they are handled in the game. It is the only reason freighters do not have rig slots or a single low slot.

If the numbers on packaged capitals were jacked up CCP could add a single low slot and or Rig slots to the freighters as well as the Jump Freighters. If someone wants to crank up their hold, let them. For those with more brains than a big dog, they could multiply the EHP of the ship and improve Inertia. Goonswarm or more specific, Bat Co seem to think EVE players is too dumb ta do it right anyway, they will still gett heir stupid kills and people like me would no longer feel any pity for them because they made a decision. Right now, it's nothing but a cow in space, in a game everyone seems to agree is full of wolves.


It has one of the biggest buffers in high sec and on average the number of ganked freighters a week is around the same as the number that pass though the perimiter gate in 2 minutes.

You are trying to fix a problem that does not exist.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#122 - 2013-05-15 08:42:36 UTC
Core Researcher wrote:
So first my quote answers your post. Im not against ganking. You are being overly hostile in your reaction to a cause of debate.

I would also like your explanation for the 'proven way to avoid gank'. This technique should invole no more than one pilot please.


A gank involves more than one pilot, why shouldn't a guaranteed way to avoid it need more than one pilot?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#123 - 2013-05-15 08:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:
The packaged M3 for Carriers and Dread's are not really a valued number in the game. No ship can carry them when they are packaged and they will never be undocked in that state. They come in at 1,000,000 M3 packaged. If that number were pushed up to 2 mill or even 5 it wouldn't matter one way or the other in terms of how they are handled in the game. It is the only reason freighters do not have rig slots or a single low slot.

If the numbers on packaged capitals were jacked up CCP could add a single low slot and or Rig slots to the freighters as well as the Jump Freighters. If someone wants to crank up their hold, let them. For those with more brains than a big dog, they could multiply the EHP of the ship and improve Inertia. Goonswarm or more specific, Bat Co seem to think EVE players is too dumb ta do it right anyway, they will still gett heir stupid kills and people like me would no longer feel any pity for them because they made a decision. Right now, it's nothing but a cow in space, in a game everyone seems to agree is full of wolves.


It has one of the biggest buffers in high sec and on average the number of ganked freighters a week is around the same as the number that pass though the perimiter gate in 2 minutes.

You are trying to fix a problem that does not exist.


I can get Battleships to higher EHP than the freighters have. Because the freighters EHP is all in the hull you can't logi a freighter. I know, I've tried. In a game where blap should be in the logo, freighter EHP and distribution is a serious problem.

And if you stopped and thought about it for a moment, you wouldn't even argue with me.

DCU is an active module. Most of your kills are AP kills, they would still end up dead.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#124 - 2013-05-15 08:53:56 UTC
Ocih wrote:


I can get Battleships to higher EHP than the freighters have. Because the freighters EHP is all in the hull you can't logi a freighter. I know, I've tried. In a game where blap should be in the logo, freighter EHP and distribution is a serious problem.


There would be something very wrong if a battleship could not have a bigger buffer than a freighter.

Freighters are perfectly fine EHP wise, its the pilots that are causing the issues and CCP cannot patch stupid.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#125 - 2013-05-15 09:34:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


I can get Battleships to higher EHP than the freighters have. Because the freighters EHP is all in the hull you can't logi a freighter. I know, I've tried. In a game where blap should be in the logo, freighter EHP and distribution is a serious problem.


There would be something very wrong if a battleship could not have a bigger buffer than a freighter.

Freighters are perfectly fine EHP wise, its the pilots that are causing the issues and CCP cannot patch stupid.


And yet here you are, like you are in every thread about buffing EHP on a freighter, saying there is no need. If it's all about stupid, why so serious?

A freighter is a capital ship. Not a combat ship? You can shoot at it, that makes it a combat ship. A capital ship should not have less EHP than a sub capital with no option to fit and fortify it in a game that grants the right to shoot you while in one. It's a big fat cow.

it should also require the Capital Ship skill book to even fly but that's another issue.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#126 - 2013-05-15 09:39:53 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Ocih wrote:


And yet here you are, like you are in every thread about buffing EHP on a freighter, saying there is no need. If it's all about stupid, why so serious?

A freighter is a capital ship. Not a combat ship? You can shoot at it, that makes it a combat ship. A capital ship should not have less EHP than a sub capital with no option to fit and fortify it in a game that grants the right to shoot you while in one. It's a big fat cow.

it should also require the Capital Ship skill book to even fly but that's another issue.


Hey guys, the Marco Polo and Pierre Guillaumat are bigger than any battleship or aircraft carrier. They should be great for a war!


Thats literally what you just said...
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#127 - 2013-05-15 09:45:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


And yet here you are, like you are in every thread about buffing EHP on a freighter, saying there is no need. If it's all about stupid, why so serious?

A freighter is a capital ship. Not a combat ship? You can shoot at it, that makes it a combat ship. A capital ship should not have less EHP than a sub capital with no option to fit and fortify it in a game that grants the right to shoot you while in one. It's a big fat cow.

it should also require the Capital Ship skill book to even fly but that's another issue.


Hey guys, the Marco Polo and Pierre Guillaumat are bigger than any battleship or aircraft carrier. They should be great for a war!


Thats litereally what you just said...


If you want to drag real world examples in to this, lets look at the real world implications of blowing up the Marco Polo and then just rolling in to a port to wait out your 15 minute rage moment.

Back in EVE though, my advice to people is that if you are High Sec doing High Sec business, get an Orca and get rid of your freighter. You don't need it and you will see it once you are in the Orca that will run you 33% of the cost the freighter is running you. Freighters for expediting from Null to HS and according to all the seers, when they buff Null Industrial that won't be needed any more. Things should correct itself in the end.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#128 - 2013-05-15 10:04:00 UTC
Ocih wrote:


If you want to drag real world examples in to this, lets look at the real world implications of blowing up the Marco Polo and then just rolling in to a port to wait out your 15 minute rage moment.


EVE is more like the age of spanish gold ships.

Ocih wrote:
Back in EVE though, my advice to people is that if you are High Sec doing High Sec business, get an Orca and get rid of your freighter. You don't need it and you will see it once you are in the Orca that will run you 33% of the cost the freighter is running you. Freighters for expediting from Null to HS and according to all the seers, when they buff Null Industrial that won't be needed any more. Things should correct itself in the end.


As a freighter pilot I will point out that a full load of trit or transporting 10 talos cannot be done in an orca in one trip, a single freighter trip is much more efficient use of time.
Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#129 - 2013-05-15 10:09:54 UTC
I'd like to see more Freighters using escorts, that'd be kinda cool in a way...but I doubt anybody would be willing to do it considering how boooring it can be.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#130 - 2013-05-15 10:11:20 UTC
Posting in a terribad "to kill a ship worth X, you should have to lose >X yourself!" shitthread

Stupid idea, lose more freighters you baddy
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#131 - 2013-05-15 10:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


If you want to drag real world examples in to this, lets look at the real world implications of blowing up the Marco Polo and then just rolling in to a port to wait out your 15 minute rage moment.


EVE is more like the age of spanish gold ships.

Ocih wrote:
Back in EVE though, my advice to people is that if you are High Sec doing High Sec business, get an Orca and get rid of your freighter. You don't need it and you will see it once you are in the Orca that will run you 33% of the cost the freighter is running you. Freighters for expediting from Null to HS and according to all the seers, when they buff Null Industrial that won't be needed any more. Things should correct itself in the end.


As a freighter pilot I will point out that a full load of trit or transporting 10 talos cannot be done in an orca in one trip, a single freighter trip is much more efficient use of time.


Pirates didn't roll in to Madrid like they were just your average tug boat captain either, not even in the height of piracy.

I agree on the Trit and Talos factor but High Sec people don't need ten Talos or 80 million trit. Null people do. I wouldn't worry about it. I don't see CCP doing anything about freighters anyway. Nobody is joining EVE to be a freighter pilot.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#132 - 2013-05-15 10:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Ocih wrote:


Pirates didn't roll in to Madrid like they were just your average tug boat captain either, not even in the height of piracy.



No they rolled into London and had lunch with the Queen.

Quote:
I agree on the Trit and Talos factor but High Sec people don't need ten Talos or 80 million trit


And here you show an utter lack of knolage of high sec. Yesterday well over 30 billion units of trit were sold in jita alone.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2013-05-15 10:34:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


Pirates didn't roll in to Madrid like they were just your average tug boat captain either, not even in the height of piracy.



No they rolled into London and had lunch with the Queen.

Ahahahahaha, touche.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#134 - 2013-05-15 11:10:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


Pirates didn't roll in to Madrid like they were just your average tug boat captain either, not even in the height of piracy.



No they rolled into London and had lunch with the Queen.

Quote:
I agree on the Trit and Talos factor but High Sec people don't need ten Talos or 80 million trit


And here you show an utter lack of knolage of high sec. Yesterday well over 30 billion units of trit were sold in jita alone.


And you still missed the point. That trit was not aimed at HS or their ships. Whatever, you seem hell bent I need to smashed down for some reason.

Fuckit you win.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#135 - 2013-05-15 11:22:53 UTC
Ocih wrote:


And you still missed the point. That trit was not aimed at HS or their ships.


Just about all production takes place in high sec. Also how do you think that trit got into that station in the heart of high sec in a system with no belts?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#136 - 2013-05-15 12:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: NEONOVUS
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


And you still missed the point. That trit was not aimed at HS or their ships.


Just about all production takes place in high sec. Also how do you think that trit got into that station in the heart of high sec in a system with no belts?

A very determined fleet of ibises.
Ibisiii?
Ibisi?

Velators.
A very determined fleet of velators.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2013-05-15 12:41:17 UTC
Roime wrote:
Hisec, creating tears, problems and hatred since inception.

I think it's time accept the fact that nothing good will ever come out of it and simply reduce it into handful of systems to protect the new players, and let players take care of the rest.





This is a great idea, it helps newbies and punishes people with more isk than brains.

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