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Lady von Baroness
Mizara's Dollhouse
#41 - 2013-02-14 16:47:20 UTC
It might be worth PLEXng yourself. Consider this: It will take some 30-40 hours (in some cases, 60-80 hours) a month to pay for your subscription with ISK, while even a minimum-wage job can pay for it in about 3 hours. If you're able, just buy a PLEX and sell it at Jita (remember to use the Simplified selling view, so you can avoid those nasty taxes), and put the 500m ISK to use.

I started back in May, 2012, and was in a similar position to you at first, until realizing that the time I was grinding for ISK could be spent having some actual fun for about 2 hours' work for me IRL. I bought a PLEX, sold it at Jita (remember to redeem it at Jita... NEVER undock with a PLEX in your cargohold), and things have been much better since.

You will get 400-500m ISK for one PLEX, depending on the current mood of the market. If you join RvB, this will give you more than enough ISK to have some serious fun. When your total ship cost is 2-3m ISK for T2-fit frigs, and 1-2m ISK for T1-fit frigs, that 400-500m ISK is going to last you a good, long while.

If you opt not to go the PvP route (seems like you wouldn't, though... you don't seem to like the PvE, which is quite normal with EvE), the ISK you get from a single PLEX will do wonders to push you along.

Give it a shot. EvE is a fun game, you just can't really grind yourself through it (without going insane, at least). Good luck!

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-02-14 17:42:45 UTC
Actually, yeah. Buy a PLEX. Screw the unfun parts. Let them wait until you find a way to turn them into fun things.

But only buy one PLEX. Or one PLEX at a time, at least. If you drop the cash for six plexes you're just going to end up being a six billion isk mixed-gun Rattlesnake killmail that my friends and I kick around.

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-02-15 16:34:52 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
So here i am, 12.7 million in my wallet, less than 50m worth of ships and 10m worth of junk after 3 months of actual subscription.

I have failed high sec carebearing, i am a blight among the blinged out billionare carebears that inhabit high security space, coming the end of my subscription in a few days i will remove myself from your presence.

and no, you can't have my stuff, if you really want it i can dump it in a can near jita


3 months?

Yeah, you failed hard!


In a week, you should be breezing through L3s in a BC, In 3 weeks, blowing through L4s in a BS for 10-20 million ISK an hour.

Step 1) Do the tutorials. Takes a couple hours. You get millions of easy isk, lots of free ships, and faction standing.
Train lots of the little support skills, while leaving racial frig 4 in the training queue to be worked on when nothing else is training.
(Man, it is going to be even easier after the summer changes when you will only need frig 3 for destroyer).

Step 2) Cyber1, and +3 implants. You may not be able to afford a full set right now, but grab a couple for, say, intelligence and perception that are the primary of most of the skills being trained as a new player.

Step 3) Do the tutorials 2 more times for the other schools of your chosen race. You don't need to repeat the exploration tutorial if you do not want to as it doesn't give faction standing. More ISK, more ships (sell them, reproccess them, etc.), and more faction standing. In like 6-8 hours of play time you should have more ISK and stuff than you claim to have in after 3 months. Complete you set of +3 implants.

Step 4) Do the tutorials 3x more times for the faction that is allied with your faction... Amar-caldari, Gallente-Minmatar.
Ugh... it so sucks doing the same missions 3 times. Yeah.. and if you hate that, then you are going to hate all missioning, because there will be like 12 missions that you run over and over and over and over and.....

Step 5) So, now you are on day 2, have played all of maybe 16 hours. You have racial frig to 4. Now train destroyers and go run the Sister of EVE epic arc. This will probably take a good 10 hours of play time to complete... no need to rush it. Spend a couple days learning cruisers, then BC, and learning medium guns, while still chunking along on support skills.

Step 6) We're now like 4 days in. We've ran the 6 tutorials and the SoE, so have pretty good faction standing. Tran the social skill called connections to 3. You should now have no trouble with standing to pull L3. Start running those L3s in the BC.

Step 7) train toward BS, and be running L4s by 3 weeks into the game.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#44 - 2013-02-15 17:02:13 UTC
i think the moral here is to leave hi-sec.
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-02-15 17:42:32 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
So i started playing EVE a few months ago, had a little break for guild wars 2, got bored of grinding, came back to shoot more things.

My experience has mostly been in high-sec. I'd had a few little forays into low, usually ended with my **** exploding, but it was good fun all the time. Messed around in wormholes and left some lewd cans around peoples bases.

Started of mining, can mined my way to my first Procurer, also my only one, because somehow no one ever bothered to shoot at me even when i was flying around with nothing fitted but a Strip Miner fitted and a hold full of ore.

Alas i bored of mining, because staring at rocks all day was boring and took so much time to make any real money, so i decided to try my hand at station trading, i trained up my skills and started buying low at one place and selling high at another, it was ok money, but it was time consuming, i stopped that soon enough.

I thought that maybe i should try PI, i mean, if everyone else is making millions while not doing anything, surely i can, i found out very quickly that i was in over my head and lost most of my money, ehh, it happens.

So then i decided to try and be useful, shot down in seconds because no one trusts a 6 month old character and believes that someone named "Zol Interbottom" could possibly be a main, although i made some money doing it regardless.

Eventually i fell down onto running missions, and i ran those missions, and i ran and ran and ran those missions, eventually a nice person in mission chat gave me some money to buy a proper ship for running L3's after i asked if my Catalyst could run them, so i ran more missions and realized that i was still a while away from L3's, so i eventually gave up on that, i couldn't grind my way through them until they were profitable in any real sense of the word so i stopped while i was only mostly behind.

So here i am, 12.7 million in my wallet, less than 50m worth of ships and 10m worth of junk after 3 months of actual subscription.

I have failed high sec carebearing, i am a blight among the blinged out billionare carebears that inhabit high security space, coming the end of my subscription in a few days i will remove myself from your presence.

and no, you can't have my stuff, if you really want it i can dump it in a can near jita


can I have your 75m please
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-02-15 18:39:33 UTC
Iosue wrote:
i think the moral here is to leave hi-sec.



How is that the moral?

The real moral is, don't waste time grinding L1 missions for a pittance of ISK and tiny, tiny corp standings increases so that you can someday run higher level missions. Use the tutorials, SoE epic arc, and social skills (maybe a few tags) to get faction standing so that you can jump right to L3s, if not L4s.

Make more ISK in an hour of L4s than you can make in a month of L1s.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#47 - 2013-02-15 18:46:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Thank you OP for this detailed write-up of your experiences. I have been where you now are, but I still was intrigued by the potential my character had in the first few months. Having long since attained said potential, and now looking for new challenges in the game, I'll remind the newbros in my corp to try and prevent such a hisec burnout.

This is exactly what I feared would happen to myself, but I too found myself resubbing after 3 months, dusting off my Hurricane, and setting out to do some lowsec exploration. A year later I run a small corporation in a miniscule alliance, but I'm having a blast playing with these dudes, making some ISK together and failing at everything else.Lol

EDIT: Tagging along for standings in corpmates L3 / L4 missions after doing a single L1 mission yourself is the way to go. Some people see this as piggyback riding, but it's not, and the game is actually designed for it.
Radhe Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-02-15 22:16:39 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:


So here i am, 12.7 million in my wallet, less than 50m worth of ships and 10m worth of junk after 3 months of actual subscription.

I have failed high sec carebearing, i am a blight among the blinged out billionare carebears that inhabit high security space, coming the end of my subscription in a few days i will remove myself from your presence.

and no, you can't have my stuff, if you really want it i can dump it in a can near jita


did u consider exploration ? or low sec ratting?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#49 - 2013-02-15 22:41:40 UTC
Zor Interbottom, you have failed as a capsuleer. Getout.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-02-15 23:57:34 UTC
Join me.
I promise you excitement AND money making.

Contact me ingame if you're still around and please STOP PvEing.
It's not worth it.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#51 - 2013-02-16 00:07:14 UTC
I failed at carebearing, too.

Now I just blow up other people's stuff, steal their hard-earned isk, and have way more fun.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#52 - 2013-02-16 00:07:40 UTC
Iosue wrote:
i think the moral here is to leave hi-sec.

I think the moral is to learn that PVE content isn't the point of Eve.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-02-16 00:18:07 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Iosue wrote:
i think the moral here is to leave hi-sec.

I think the moral is to learn that PVE content isn't the point of Eve.


I think the moral is that patience pays in eve, whatever you're doing.

So fill your skill queue and log out when you're not enjoying it
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-02-16 00:35:56 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Why not join RvB or something like that and go pew pew people?


I cant afford to buy a ship and fly around blasting **** that isnt a velator


1 Slasher = 300k isk
1 Afterburner = 13k isk
1 Warp Scrambler = 50k isk
Ruining somebody's day = priceless

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#55 - 2013-02-16 00:37:13 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Why not join RvB or something like that and go pew pew people?


I cant afford to buy a ship and fly around blasting **** that isnt a velator


1 Slasher = 300k isk
1 Afterburner = 13k isk
1 Warp Scrambler = 50k isk
Ruining somebody's day = priceless

But the guns will cost you extra.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-02-16 00:41:17 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Joran Dravius wrote:
Why not join RvB or something like that and go pew pew people?


I cant afford to buy a ship and fly around blasting **** that isnt a velator


1 Slasher = 300k isk
1 Afterburner = 13k isk
1 Warp Scrambler = 50k isk
Ruining somebody's day = priceless

But the guns will cost you extra.


We have enough guns, he won't need them.
But you can never have enough tackle. Cool

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-02-16 00:42:09 UTC
The moral is that you're an immortal in charge of some of the most powerful machines in existence. Stop stacking mud like a peasant.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#58 - 2013-02-16 00:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
One decent way a friend of mine found to make isk is to hang out on trade routes in a T1 fast tackle with a long point. Just lock and point all the criminals and suspects that are trying to run through in small ships. When someone else actually kills them, you have the speed to scoop the loot...and you get killmails as a bonus if that matters to you.

edit: if you score a damage control II, you've paid for your next ship. Anything above that is pure profit.

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