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Newbie Opinion: Why it's CRUCIAL that EVE Online does not to free-to-play...

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Nova Serine
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-02-14 00:06:08 UTC
Disclaimer: this is simply one player's point of view, no more and no less.

After playing EVE Online for about a week now I've realized that if this game were to go free-to-play we, the serious minded participants who insist on quality from our gaming experience and the community it includes, would be forced to suffer the influx of casual rubberneckers who feel they have nothing to lose by indulging their worst habits all over this gamespace. Granted, many new players of requisite quality (read: taking this game seriously enough to not be a total d-bag in game and forum) would come to the table, but the risk is too great. Better to keep this experience subscriber based. If you're willing to pay a monthly fee for something that demands that you use your brain as much as you use the mouse and keyboard, you're going to make the experience matter and not squander it with alpha a-hole nonsense.

There's only so much space out there to play in, and it would be a real damn shame to have to this experience eroded by having to deal with the non-committed who have only signed up to cause havoc, impart grief and lower the reputation of what is unquestionably the greatest MMO of all time.

Thanks for listening!

Cool

Two rolls of duct tape; one for my ship, and the other for unruly ride-alongs.

Orlacc
#2 - 2013-02-14 00:15:09 UTC
QFT

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-02-14 00:38:24 UTC
Nova Serine wrote:
Disclaimer: this is simply one player's point of view, no more and no less.

After playing EVE Online for about a week now.. we, the serious minded participants who insist on quality from our gaming experience and the community it includes.. what is unquestionably the greatest MMO of all time.

Cool


After a weeks play, how can you be a "serious minded participant" and know how the community is AND know that the game is "the greatest mmo of all time" ?

Im really curious here..

Anyway, I dont see why this thread is needed, EVE wont go f2p.
Nova Serine
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-02-14 01:10:05 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
After a weeks play, how can you be a "serious minded participant" and know how the community is AND know that the game is "the greatest mmo of all time" ?

Im really curious here..

Anyway, I dont see why this thread is needed, EVE wont go f2p.


Thanks for the comment. I think I'm pretty qualified to make my own assessment when it comes to knowing a quality experience when I see it, and as I noted at the beginning of the post, it was simply my own opinion based on my own observation and experience and NOT speaking for the community. That said, it's true that every MMO has its wide spectrum of participants, from the hardcore role players to the casual once-in-a-while'rs, just as it's true that there will always be knuckleheads who pop up here and there to rock the boat and cause mischief. I consider myself a "serious minded participant" because I see the value in dedicating the time and effort required to really get the full enjoyment out of this game and appreciate the time and effort that the devs put in, which I intend to match as I delve deeper and deeper into this experience.

And you're right, I don't see EVE going free-to-play any time soon, most likely not at all. This is definitely a good thing.

At its heart, this thread was meant to give serious props to a seriously intelligent and intense MMO and to thank all who support it both in game and on the forums.

This means you, friend.

Cool

Two rolls of duct tape; one for my ship, and the other for unruly ride-alongs.

Merouk Baas
#5 - 2013-02-14 02:38:11 UTC
This is a General Discussion thread.

Do you have questions?
Are you answering questions?
Nova Serine
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-02-14 03:33:27 UTC
Yikes, you're right! Is there a way to move this thread to the appropriate forum? Very much sorry for the goof!

Oops

Two rolls of duct tape; one for my ship, and the other for unruly ride-alongs.

Mokepoke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-02-14 09:40:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mokepoke
Don't worry buddy, you're exactly the kind of snooty jerk who keeps casual players away from Eve in the first place.

Besides, what is a casual player? Someone who doesn't spend so long playing the game that they get fused to their chair?

Edit: I broke my ten year record of not posting on the forums for this post, goddamn you
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#8 - 2013-02-14 09:46:06 UTC
another reason F2P is not a good idea is that then there would be a huge influx of alt account in game and multiboxing would be EVERYWHERE to the extremes.

also quality would take a dive and there would be in game stores and so on for non vanity items and the like.
Nova Serine
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-14 09:59:34 UTC
Mokepoke wrote:


Edit: I broke my ten year record of not posting on the forums for this post, goddamn you




Awwww, who needs a hug? YOU need a hug! Yes you do! Yes you do!

Factually speaking, I'm actually a "casual player" for the most part. I just happen to really be digging this game and I am not ashamed to admit it, nor to proclaim it from the rooftops. I have a life and a full time job and divide my free time amongst other pursuits, some of which happen to include gaming. I'd just hate to see this particular gamespace become inundated with jerks who make it their mission to disrupt the norm with needless foolery. Seen it before in other MMO's and hated it, and I only liked those games half as much as I do this one.

Hope this helps clear the air on this.

Big smile

Two rolls of duct tape; one for my ship, and the other for unruly ride-alongs.

Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2013-02-14 10:27:30 UTC
Quote:
Awwww, who needs a hug? YOU need a hug! Yes you do! Yes you do!



Can I take this offer in his stead?


and the Right Honourable Sir Tiggy Tiggs of Tigginton is right to a degree - yes, we be inundated with a prolific HORDE of players, most being the alt generation, while some would be geniune new players. I don't think the "Gold Ammo" issue would arise as violently as is commonly thought, as CCP would keep a tight leash on stuff like that.


Mind you, EVE has been designed, and shall forever stay, as a subscription based model. If that where to ever change, I would eat the Navy Apocalypse model available in the EVE Store.

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-02-14 10:57:01 UTC
i'll take a hug. also, this suggests that eve does not have any problems with its player numbers, thus no need to worry about free to play cashouts.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
#12 - 2013-02-14 11:41:07 UTC
Mokepoke wrote:
Don't worry buddy, you're exactly the kind of snooty jerk who keeps casual players away from Eve in the first place.

Besides, what is a casual player? Someone who doesn't spend so long playing the game that they get fused to their chair?

Edit: I broke my ten year record of not posting on the forums for this post, goddamn you


Considering you play the game since 2007, and have only ever been in the newbie corp, I call alt on you.
That being said you can only break 5 years of not posting on this character. And as it is indeed most likely an alt, i doubt anything was actually broken.

PS. I'm sorry for the troll post, I just couldn't resist calling this out.

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Ruvan Oakstark
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-02-14 15:33:17 UTC
I agree with the general message of the OP's view. Having a subscription-based plan for EVE is the way to go. Only the seriously committed would stay with this game due to the subscription. But, the money is used to continuously upgrade and improve the game in its entirety, which is the most important thing, I would say.

You better roll that first 'R' when you say my name. Seriously.

Mokepoke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-02-14 16:11:12 UTC
Eliniale wrote:
Mokepoke wrote:
Don't worry buddy, you're exactly the kind of snooty jerk who keeps casual players away from Eve in the first place.

Besides, what is a casual player? Someone who doesn't spend so long playing the game that they get fused to their chair?

Edit: I broke my ten year record of not posting on the forums for this post, goddamn you


Considering you play the game since 2007, and have only ever been in the newbie corp, I call alt on you.
That being said you can only break 5 years of not posting on this character. And as it is indeed most likely an alt, i doubt anything was actually broken.

PS. I'm sorry for the troll post, I just couldn't resist calling this out.


Wow good work Jessica Fletcher. Nothing gets past you.

Actually I don't think I've ever posted on the forums on my main, so my previous post still stands.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-14 16:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
1. This is NOT a NCQA thread.
2. This seriously looks like a: I want to play EVE without paying.

But seriously.

A. Eve can be free to play. Just make 600mil a month and buy PLEX.
B. If EVE becomes F2P it will see a sudden climb of whining teenager subscriptions and a decline in loads of subs who dont want that in their game (for instance me, I play EVE because its a mature playerbase that you meet).
C. Without subs payment CCP cant pay devs to make new content and so you wont have two free expansions a year.
D. And like all those other P2P mmos that went F2P did very well.
E. EVE dont need F2P, it subscription numbers have increased every year for the last decade. Why would they make it free if there are still people comming to the game.

EDIT:

My opinion on you based on all the previous posts you made did climb a lot.
But this thread made you start at 0 again.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-02-14 17:25:30 UTC
Eliniale wrote:
Mokepoke wrote:
Don't worry buddy, you're exactly the kind of snooty jerk who keeps casual players away from Eve in the first place.

Besides, what is a casual player? Someone who doesn't spend so long playing the game that they get fused to their chair?

Edit: I broke my ten year record of not posting on the forums for this post, goddamn you


Considering you play the game since 2007, and have only ever been in the newbie corp, I call alt on you.

dun dun DUUUUUN!!!

I should buy an Ishtar.

Nova Serine
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-02-14 19:43:05 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
1. This is NOT a NCQA thread.
2. This seriously looks like a: I want to play EVE without paying.

But seriously.

A. Eve can be free to play. Just make 600mil a month and buy PLEX.
B. If EVE becomes F2P it will see a sudden climb of whining teenager subscriptions and a decline in loads of subs who dont want that in their game (for instance me, I play EVE because its a mature playerbase that you meet).
C. Without subs payment CCP cant pay devs to make new content and so you wont have two free expansions a year.
D. And like all those other P2P mmos that went F2P did very well.
E. EVE dont need F2P, it subscription numbers have increased every year for the last decade. Why would they make it free if there are still people comming to the game.

EDIT:

My opinion on you based on all the previous posts you made did climb a lot.
But this thread made you start at 0 again.


My Dear J'Poll;

Here's the thing. During my initial feelaround with this game, I wasn't sure I'd like it or not, and as such was leery of paying a monthly fee for something that I wasn't going to be using very often. If you've read my earlier posts and threads, you know this. However, my opinion of this game changed dramatically the deeper I got, and now I'm not only willing to shell out the subscription fee, but I'm vehemently OPPOSED to EVE going f2p because it would break my heart to see the quality of this experience become ruined by incoming nonsense courtesy of non-committed gamers who would rather grief other players than contribute in a productive manner. Not too long ago the f2p model was the exception, now it seems like it's becoming the norm. I hope CCP doesn't follow this trend, and all indications are that they won't, and for that we can all be thankful. If this point didn't come across clearly in this thread, then I apologize and I hope this sets the record straight. I've appreciated your help and support on the other threads, and I'd hope that you see where I'm coming from here.

Thanks!

Blink

Two rolls of duct tape; one for my ship, and the other for unruly ride-alongs.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-02-14 19:52:12 UTC
Nova Serine wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
1. This is NOT a NCQA thread.
2. This seriously looks like a: I want to play EVE without paying.

But seriously.

A. Eve can be free to play. Just make 600mil a month and buy PLEX.
B. If EVE becomes F2P it will see a sudden climb of whining teenager subscriptions and a decline in loads of subs who dont want that in their game (for instance me, I play EVE because its a mature playerbase that you meet).
C. Without subs payment CCP cant pay devs to make new content and so you wont have two free expansions a year.
D. And like all those other P2P mmos that went F2P did very well.
E. EVE dont need F2P, it subscription numbers have increased every year for the last decade. Why would they make it free if there are still people comming to the game.

EDIT:

My opinion on you based on all the previous posts you made did climb a lot.
But this thread made you start at 0 again.


My Dear J'Poll;

Here's the thing. During my initial feelaround with this game, I wasn't sure I'd like it or not, and as such was leery of paying a monthly fee for something that I wasn't going to be using very often. If you've read my earlier posts and threads, you know this. However, my opinion of this game changed dramatically the deeper I got, and now I'm not only willing to shell out the subscription fee, but I'm vehemently OPPOSED to EVE going f2p because it would break my heart to see the quality of this experience become ruined by incoming nonsense courtesy of non-committed gamers who would rather grief other players than contribute in a productive manner. Not too long ago the f2p model was the exception, now it seems like it's becoming the norm. I hope CCP doesn't follow this trend, and all indications are that they won't, and for that we can all be thankful. If this point didn't come across clearly in this thread, then I apologize and I hope this sets the record straight. I've appreciated your help and support on the other threads, and I'd hope that you see where I'm coming from here.

Thanks!

Blink


Well, technically CCP did went on the F2P route...Dust is a MMOFPS and is F2P (ergo, us EVE players are paying for the Dust bunnies).

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Mokepoke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-02-15 08:17:14 UTC
Not entirely. Dust has a lot of microtransactions that directly affect gameplay. I can imagine Dust already funds itself.

It's also a really fun game with a playerbase just as mature as Eve has.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-02-15 09:51:40 UTC
Nova Serine wrote:
Disclaimer: this is simply one player's point of view, no more and no less.

After playing EVE Online for about a week now I've realized that if this game were to go free-to-play we, the serious minded participants who insist on quality from our gaming experience and the community it includes, would be forced to suffer the influx of casual rubberneckers who feel they have nothing to lose by indulging their worst habits all over this gamespace. Granted, many new players of requisite quality (read: taking this game seriously enough to not be a total d-bag in game and forum) would come to the table, but the risk is too great. Better to keep this experience subscriber based. If you're willing to pay a monthly fee for something that demands that you use your brain as much as you use the mouse and keyboard, you're going to make the experience matter and not squander it with alpha a-hole nonsense.

There's only so much space out there to play in, and it would be a real damn shame to have to this experience eroded by having to deal with the non-committed who have only signed up to cause havoc, impart grief and lower the reputation of what is unquestionably the greatest MMO of all time.

Thanks for listening!

Cool



Well played, good sir, well played. I rate this one a solid 9/10

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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