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Petition - Full ban of multi boxing programs which duplicate clicks.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#441 - 2013-03-05 16:18:09 UTC
Athena Maldoran wrote:
./signed.

I, Athena Maldoran, also deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game.

If you can't support your self without, maybe your doing it wrong esse!

Oh no, whatever will CCP do - someone has posted on GENERAL DISCUSSION disagreeing with them.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#442 - 2013-03-05 16:28:02 UTC
Crap, I just discovered a downside to multiboxing.

I've harvested so many tears I don't have enough room to store all of them.
Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#443 - 2013-03-05 16:30:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Athena Maldoran wrote:
./signed.

I, Athena Maldoran, also deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game.

If you can't support your self without, maybe your doing it wrong esse!

Oh no, whatever will CCP do - someone has posted on GENERAL DISCUSSION disagreeing with them.



OH NO, A goon opened its mouth...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#444 - 2013-03-05 16:36:26 UTC
Klymer wrote:
Crap, I just discovered a downside to multiboxing.

I've harvested so many tears I don't have enough room to store all of them.

Oh dear, perhaps you could donate some to us.

Or just jetcan it into the cold harshness of EVE Online space.

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Haulie Berry
#445 - 2013-03-05 18:24:16 UTC
TBH it would be way more interesting if they did a better job of cracking down on the "Johns" of the world.
Baki Yuku
Doomheim
#446 - 2013-03-05 18:33:38 UTC
6 Months of local chat buthurt because of isboxer (50 of em o7)

http://pastebin.com/59UJisQG

enjoy
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#447 - 2013-03-05 18:47:33 UTC
Klymer wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
I support this motion.


Anything that duplicated or REPLICATES clicks is botting really.


So if I tape a couple of mice together and put wooden dowels on them so that when I move them or push the buttons they both do the same thing then I'm a bot?


Why do people think botting is the only bannable offense? Botting is a sub-category of cheating. In many people's opinions, you would be a cheater if you did this and should be banned.

Again, this is easily detectable as well, since CCP simply has to look for any two ships in a system that give the same 10 or so commands in a row at the exact same time.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#448 - 2013-03-05 20:29:53 UTC
Many peoples opinions huh?

Obviously none that matter seeing as how many companies allow it in the games they make and sell.

You people really need to find something else to complain about because this is getting boring as...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#449 - 2013-03-05 20:30:40 UTC
Nemesis Factor wrote:
Klymer wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
I support this motion.

Anything that duplicated or REPLICATES clicks is botting really.

So if I tape a couple of mice together and put wooden dowels on them so that when I move them or push the buttons they both do the same thing then I'm a bot?

Why do people think botting is the only bannable offense? Botting is a sub-category of cheating. In many people's opinions, you would be a cheater if you did this and should be banned.

Again, this is easily detectable as well, since CCP simply has to look for any two ships in a system that give the same 10 or so commands in a row at the exact same time.

Sure.

CCP said ixboxer isn't in the category of cheating.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#450 - 2013-03-05 21:02:44 UTC
Klymer wrote:
Many peoples opinions huh?

Obviously none that matter seeing as how many companies allow it in the games they make and sell.

You people really need to find something else to complain about because this is getting boring as...






Just for posterity... you're saying the companies' direction and changes, or lack thereof, in decision making is absolute and should not be questioned?

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Dave Stark
#451 - 2013-03-05 21:23:49 UTC
Athena Maldoran wrote:
./signed.

I, Athena Maldoran, also deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game.

If you can't support your self without, maybe your doing it wrong esse!


guess you didn't actually read the EULA then, or you'd know it doesn't break it at all.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#452 - 2013-03-05 21:58:19 UTC
Klymer wrote:
So if I tape a couple of mice together and put wooden dowels on them so that when I move them or push the buttons they both do the same thing then I'm a bot?


That's a machine that allows you to acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay. Just because it's made of sticks instead of software doesn't make it any less of an effort amplification device.

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Dave Stark
#453 - 2013-03-05 22:00:40 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Klymer wrote:
So if I tape a couple of mice together and put wooden dowels on them so that when I move them or push the buttons they both do the same thing then I'm a bot?


That's a machine that allows you to acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay. Just because it's made of sticks instead of software doesn't make it any less of an effort amplification device.


except, it doesn't let him acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#454 - 2013-03-05 22:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Mara Rinn wrote:
Klymer wrote:
So if I tape a couple of mice together and put wooden dowels on them so that when I move them or push the buttons they both do the same thing then I'm a bot?


That's a machine that allows you to acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay. Just because it's made of sticks instead of software doesn't make it any less of an effort amplification device.


It doesn't allow the aquisition of resources faster than normal gameplay though, it's multiple accounts earning the same as any other group of people is capable of earning. With that logic you might aswell advocate against people working together to aquire resources for a single project faster than a single person could on his own.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#455 - 2013-03-05 22:04:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Klymer wrote:
So if I tape a couple of mice together and put wooden dowels on them so that when I move them or push the buttons they both do the same thing then I'm a bot?


That's a machine that allows you to acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay. Just because it's made of sticks instead of software doesn't make it any less of an effort amplification device.


except, it doesn't let him acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay.



What if it did? Would that qualify as breaking the eula?

What if isboxer could lower the amount of time it took 5 accounts to acquire ingame resources faster than without?

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Dave Stark
#456 - 2013-03-05 22:07:10 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Klymer wrote:
So if I tape a couple of mice together and put wooden dowels on them so that when I move them or push the buttons they both do the same thing then I'm a bot?


That's a machine that allows you to acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay. Just because it's made of sticks instead of software doesn't make it any less of an effort amplification device.


except, it doesn't let him acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay.



What if it did? Would that qualify as breaking the eula?

What if isboxer could lower the amount of time it took 5 accounts to acquire ingame resources faster than without?


well yes, obviously it would. but, multiboxing doesn't lower the amount of time it takes 5 accounts to acquire ingame resources than without it.

although, i'm intrigued to hear what half cocked reply you've already got lined up for my obvious answer.
this better be good, murk. i could do with a laugh this evening.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#457 - 2013-03-05 22:07:52 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
What if it did? Would that qualify as breaking the eula?

What if isboxer could lower the amount of time it took 5 accounts to acquire ingame resources faster than without?


Then it would be bannable, but it doesn't, so your "What if" theory holds no weight.

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Totalrx
NA No Assholes
#458 - 2013-03-05 22:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Totalrx
Dave Stark wrote:
[quote=Mara Rinn]

except, it doesn't let him acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay.


Depends on how you look at it

Without a mechanical device or a 3rd party program to allow replication of commands across multiple boxes, how fast would that player be able to acquire resources if they had to manually command each ship on each box?

This is a very grey area.

ISBoxer and mechanical set ups are not automating keystrokes. Automated means the player provides no input other than starting the the automation (like a macro or a script).

ISBoxer and mechanical set ups simply replicate a keystroke the player manually engaged.

The argument here is automation versus replication.

IMHO, CCP should include their own multibox functionality in game if they wish to support multibox players. Not supporting them would not be cost effective.

Allowing a 3rd party, independent developer to write the program though can lead to problems. CCP allows it, but does not endorse it. CCP is not part of it at all which means the developers can push the envelope to the danger point where CCP will have to break their own EULA or ban accounts for violating the EULA. Neither one is cost effective.

If ISBoxer is to be allowed, then CCP should be the clearing authority for each release version of the tool or make their own ingame.

For the record, I don't multibox or play multiple accounts. I have an alt account that's inactive and will probably stay that way until my financial situation improves. Even then, I'd play both accounts on the same box.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#459 - 2013-03-05 22:11:13 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Klymer wrote:
So if I tape a couple of mice together and put wooden dowels on them so that when I move them or push the buttons they both do the same thing then I'm a bot?


That's a machine that allows you to acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay. Just because it's made of sticks instead of software doesn't make it any less of an effort amplification device.


except, it doesn't let him acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay.



What if it did? Would that qualify as breaking the eula?

What if isboxer could lower the amount of time it took 5 accounts to acquire ingame resources faster than without?


well yes, obviously it would. but, multiboxing doesn't lower the amount of time it takes 5 accounts to acquire ingame resources than without it.

although, i'm intrigued to hear what half cocked reply you've already got lined up for my obvious answer.
this better be good, murk. i could do with a laugh this evening.



So if I had 5 accounts, and with only clicking 1 account at a time it took say 15 minutes to perform 1 cycle, yes, just 1 cycle, of whatever resource you want to use, and then I used isboxer to do the same exact thing and was able to get the same amount of resources from those same 5 accounts within 13 minutes, you would say that was equal, longer, or shorter amount of time to gain the equal amount of resources?

Mathematically proving, using a clock, to acquire resources faster using a program you say does not break the eula, right? That's what you're saying we need to do?

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Dave Stark
#460 - 2013-03-05 22:11:43 UTC
Totalrx wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
[quote=Mara Rinn]

except, it doesn't let him acquire ingame resources faster than normal gameplay.


Depends on how you look at it


no it doesn't. multiboxing simply doesn't make you generate more of anything faster than normal gameplay. that's why it's allowed.