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Castor Troyy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-03-12 17:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Castor Troyy
Controlled Burn wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Controlled Burn wrote:
How do you intend to hold a position in the CSM and work effectivly as part of that group, when you are seemingly incapable of holding your own alliance together? You seem to have a proven track record of being unable to resolve alliance level disputes which ultimately result in a good old fashioned failcascade, which you seem to have every 6 months, so my question to you is how could we rely on you to not display this failing of leadership as a CSM member, what would you do differently to ensure cohesion among the CSM and perhaps most importantly, why would we have not seen these factors displayed in game in keeping your alliance together for more thana few months at a time?

Thx

CB


That is a good question.



Im glad you agree, perhaps you could answer it for me?

Whilst I accept that I maybe was incorrect in stating that your alliances failcascade every 6 months, you spent the entirity of your answer trying to prove me wrong, and then following that up with some self gratifying fluff about what a sizable impact youve made on wormhole space. In fact, the only part which even comes close to answering my original question is "As far as CSM goes I plan to abandon most of my meta roles in game in order to concentrate on being CSM. " Which only tells me what your not going to do (arguably), rather than what you are going to do; which as Im sure you will agree, tells me absolutely nothing.

Irregardless of whether I was right or wrong, the fact remains that you will have made significant leadership failures during your time in game; in fact, the exhale. name was taken out from under you http://themittani.com/news/exhale-out-breath so please dont try and insult the communities intelligence by passing it off as a change of alliance name; you also hold a sizable position of leadership in exhale. as well. So again I will ask you:

how could we rely on you to not display this failing of leadership as a CSM member
what would you do differently to ensure cohesion among the CSM
why would we have not seen these factors displayed in game in keeping your alliance together

Im sure the rest of your electorate would appreciate an straightforward answer this time instead of uninformative spin.

Thanks

CB



Dude, do you have your tinfoil hat on?

Chista was never the creator of exhale. nor its leader. He was a diplomat and a damn good one at that.

This has been under talks for quite some time now. This was an issue long time discussed. It was a democratic decision. No one at any point ever made any decsion without first running it by the leadership and voted on. Some were against it others for it, but once the decsion was made, everyone was on board.

Where do you come off implying this was a result of a lack of leadership by Chitsa? This was a group decision. All the way down to the new alliance name. The implication that Chitsa's failure to lead was the cause of this is absolutley false. We have great respect for the exhale. alliance and we will work with them whenever they need. and they with us. Contrary to popular belief, there is no bad blood between us.

To suggest that Chitsa's failure in leadership was the cause of us leaving is ****. It was voted on alliance wide, among the corps that wanted to fly under their own banner that was created. If anything I'd say this absolutely proves that Chitsa is not a power hungry mongrol or a dictator. He is a team player, and everyone had the oportunity to say what they wanted to get off of their chest if something was bugging them.

It is exciting, something new, and it is only building momentum. As far as player base everyone that was in J142528 is staying in that system. We are just flying under a new banner, our creation, and we are excited about it.

I'm not trying to insult the communities intelligence...just yours...you are an idiot because of the conclusion you have jumped to and the assumptions you have drawn. They have no merit and are false.

To throw around the words "failcascade" and "lack of leadership" carelessly says alot about your character, especially when it is clearly obvious that you are speculating. I for one was there, and I know exactly how it went down. There was no failcascade or lack of leadship, on Chitsa's or anyone in Exhale. or Polarzied.


Stop trying to make it out to be more than it is.

EDIT: Also, maybe post with your main and not hide behind an alt.
Meytal
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-03-12 18:00:45 UTC
Controlled Burn wrote:
(Blathering)

Today I learned that the person primarily responsible for communicating corporate and alliance policies and decisions with third parties is also responsible for establishing policy and administrating within that corporation or alliance.

You can learn so much from the Internet!

That must be why our every breath here in the United States hinged on what Susan Rice was saying at the UN. We're lucky that she was such a good president, or else many states would have seceded from the union.

It all makes sense now.
Controlled Burn
PBAB AND CO
#83 - 2013-03-12 19:26:16 UTC
So it appears that rather than give a straight answer to a fairly straightforward question, Chitsa first dodges it, then a couple of whiteknights come riding in to discredit me for asking an honest question, aparantly because its not a question he wanted to answer. If it makes it easier for you, I can clarify, lets remove the whole polarized thing from the equation and the questions still stand. Anyone in any leadership position would make mistakes and i simply wish to know how Chitsa intends to use past mistakes to inform his actions during a CSM term.

Yes this is a certainly a very hard question to answer, but I would have expected someone intending to represent the whole of w-space to have actually answered it and not have his corpmates come shitposting to the rescue. If Chitsa can't answer a difficult question from me on the forums, then how can we expect you to handle difficult questions and debate as a CSM?
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-03-12 19:36:02 UTC
Castor Troyy wrote:
Controlled Burn wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Controlled Burn wrote:
How do you intend to hold a position in the CSM and work effectivly as part of that group, when you are seemingly incapable of holding your own alliance together? You seem to have a proven track record of being unable to resolve alliance level disputes which ultimately result in a good old fashioned failcascade, which you seem to have every 6 months, so my question to you is how could we rely on you to not display this failing of leadership as a CSM member, what would you do differently to ensure cohesion among the CSM and perhaps most importantly, why would we have not seen these factors displayed in game in keeping your alliance together for more thana few months at a time?

Thx

CB


That is a good question.



Im glad you agree, perhaps you could answer it for me?

Whilst I accept that I maybe was incorrect in stating that your alliances failcascade every 6 months, you spent the entirity of your answer trying to prove me wrong, and then following that up with some self gratifying fluff about what a sizable impact youve made on wormhole space. In fact, the only part which even comes close to answering my original question is "As far as CSM goes I plan to abandon most of my meta roles in game in order to concentrate on being CSM. " Which only tells me what your not going to do (arguably), rather than what you are going to do; which as Im sure you will agree, tells me absolutely nothing.

Irregardless of whether I was right or wrong, the fact remains that you will have made significant leadership failures during your time in game; in fact, the exhale. name was taken out from under you http://themittani.com/news/exhale-out-breath so please dont try and insult the communities intelligence by passing it off as a change of alliance name; you also hold a sizable position of leadership in exhale. as well. So again I will ask you:

how could we rely on you to not display this failing of leadership as a CSM member
what would you do differently to ensure cohesion among the CSM
why would we have not seen these factors displayed in game in keeping your alliance together

Im sure the rest of your electorate would appreciate an straightforward answer this time instead of uninformative spin.

Thanks

CB



Dude, do you have your tinfoil hat on?

Chista was never the creator of exhale. nor its leader. He was a diplomat and a damn good one at that.

This has been under talks for quite some time now. This was an issue long time discussed. It was a democratic decision. No one at any point ever made any decsion without first running it by the leadership and voted on. Some were against it others for it, but once the decsion was made, everyone was on board.

Where do you come off implying this was a result of a lack of leadership by Chitsa? This was a group decision. All the way down to the new alliance name. The implication that Chitsa's failure to lead was the cause of this is absolutley false. We have great respect for the exhale. alliance and we will work with them whenever they need. and they with us. Contrary to popular belief, there is no bad blood between us.

To suggest that Chitsa's failure in leadership was the cause of us leaving is ****. It was voted on alliance wide, among the corps that wanted to fly under their own banner that was created. If anything I'd say this absolutely proves that Chitsa is not a power hungry mongrol or a dictator. He is a team player, and everyone had the oportunity to say what they wanted to get off of their chest if something was bugging them.

It is exciting, something new, and it is only building momentum. As far as player base everyone that was in J142528 is staying in that system. We are just flying under a new banner, our creation, and we are excited about it.

I'm not trying to insult the communities intelligence...just yours...you are an idiot because of the conclusion you have jumped to and the assumptions you have drawn. They have no merit and are false.

To throw around the words "failcascade" and "lack of leadership" carelessly says alot about your character, especially when it is clearly obvious that you are speculating. I for one was there, and I know exactly how it went down. There was no failcascade or lack of leadship, on Chitsa's or anyone in Exhale. or Polarzied.


Stop trying to make it out to be more than it is.

EDIT: Also, maybe post with your main and not hide behind an alt.


That's one emotional response there :)

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-03-12 19:45:49 UTC
Controlled Burn wrote:
So it appears that rather than give a straight answer to a fairly straightforward question, Chitsa first dodges it, then a couple of whiteknights come riding in to discredit me for asking an honest question, aparantly because its not a question he wanted to answer. If it makes it easier for you, I can clarify, lets remove the whole polarized thing from the equation and the questions still stand. Anyone in any leadership position would make mistakes and i simply wish to know how Chitsa intends to use past mistakes to inform his actions during a CSM term.

Yes this is a certainly a very hard question to answer, but I would have expected someone intending to represent the whole of w-space to have actually answered it and not have his corpmates come shitposting to the rescue. If Chitsa can't answer a difficult question from me on the forums, then how can we expect you to handle difficult questions and debate as a CSM?



One of the hardest things in the world is admitting that you made a mistake or did something wrong. It is simple human nature.

On the other hand I am not stubborn person and if presented with facts of my mistakes I will admit them. It is obvious that frank admission of the mistake is more productive than being stubborn about it.

I will ask my corp mates not to white knight me as it is obvious on which side they are.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Castor Troyy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-03-12 20:55:39 UTC
Controlled Burn wrote:
So it appears that rather than give a straight answer to a fairly straightforward question, Chitsa first dodges it, then a couple of whiteknights come riding in to discredit me for asking an honest question, aparantly because its not a question he wanted to answer. If it makes it easier for you, I can clarify, lets remove the whole polarized thing from the equation and the questions still stand. Anyone in any leadership position would make mistakes and i simply wish to know how Chitsa intends to use past mistakes to inform his actions during a CSM term.

Yes this is a certainly a very hard question to answer, but I would have expected someone intending to represent the whole of w-space to have actually answered it and not have his corpmates come shitposting to the rescue. If Chitsa can't answer a difficult question from me on the forums, then how can we expect you to handle difficult questions and debate as a CSM?






I have no problems with tough questions. I think difficult questions tell alot about a person. If you would have had the situation semi-accurate I would have kept my opinion to myself. But you weren't, so I didn't. As far as removing the whole polarized thing from the equation. That was why you posted the questions. You speculate that it was a flaw in leadership, then cited the new alliance as your proof. You assume Chitsa and Chitsa alone held the reins to exhale and it was not the case. You're calling me a shitposter and a white knight to chitsa, but get your facts straight first.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-03-13 02:21:17 UTC
Castor Troyy wrote:
Controlled Burn wrote:
So it appears that rather than give a straight answer to a fairly straightforward question, Chitsa first dodges it, then a couple of whiteknights come riding in to discredit me for asking an honest question, aparantly because its not a question he wanted to answer. If it makes it easier for you, I can clarify, lets remove the whole polarized thing from the equation and the questions still stand. Anyone in any leadership position would make mistakes and i simply wish to know how Chitsa intends to use past mistakes to inform his actions during a CSM term.

Yes this is a certainly a very hard question to answer, but I would have expected someone intending to represent the whole of w-space to have actually answered it and not have his corpmates come shitposting to the rescue. If Chitsa can't answer a difficult question from me on the forums, then how can we expect you to handle difficult questions and debate as a CSM?






I have no problems with tough questions. I think difficult questions tell alot about a person. If you would have had the situation semi-accurate I would have kept my opinion to myself. But you weren't, so I didn't. As far as removing the whole polarized thing from the equation. That was why you posted the questions. You speculate that it was a flaw in leadership, then cited the new alliance as your proof. You assume Chitsa and Chitsa alone held the reins to exhale and it was not the case. You're calling me a shitposter and a white knight to chitsa, but get your facts straight first.


Castor thank you for clarifying the situation but I am a big boy now and I can defend myself :)

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Meytal
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-03-13 13:19:20 UTC
Don't worry, I'm not a corp/alliance mate. I'd rather shoot you guys and I've never been a huge Awoxer fan :)

And for the hard-of-understanding, the Diplomat is not the Corp or Alliance CEO, just like your country's ambassador to other nations is not your country's leader. Diplos have input sure, maybe more than regular members though not necessarily, but they do not necessarily set policy or function as the glue to hold different groups together unless the CEO -is- the Diplomat.

The CSM members act more as Diplomats than they do Corp or Alliance CEO. They certainly can't tell CCP what to do, and they have the uncomfortable position of trying to express CCP-think in terms that the rest of us fortunate enough not to have to be involved with them can understand. So just in that, I would rather not have a CEO who is used to dictating policy on the CSM.

CSM members are the messengers. We shoot them because we can't shoot CCP.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-03-13 15:03:09 UTC
Meytal wrote:
Don't worry, I'm not a corp/alliance mate. I'd rather shoot you guys and I've never been a huge Awoxer fan :)

And for the hard-of-understanding, the Diplomat is not the Corp or Alliance CEO, just like your country's ambassador to other nations is not your country's leader. Diplos have input sure, maybe more than regular members though not necessarily, but they do not necessarily set policy or function as the glue to hold different groups together unless the CEO -is- the Diplomat.

The CSM members act more as Diplomats than they do Corp or Alliance CEO. They certainly can't tell CCP what to do, and they have the uncomfortable position of trying to express CCP-think in terms that the rest of us fortunate enough not to have to be involved with them can understand. So just in that, I would rather not have a CEO who is used to dictating policy on the CSM.

CSM members are the messengers. We shoot them because we can't shoot CCP.


QFT

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#90 - 2013-03-13 17:14:52 UTC
+ excellent communicator
+ loves pvp and is a solid pilot
+ appreciates lithuanian girls, which are indeed some of the finest

We got good WH candidates, but you'll get my wh vote.

.
Controlled Burn
PBAB AND CO
#91 - 2013-03-13 17:54:42 UTC
Again you havn't answered my question, and continued to skirt around the issue here. So im going to move on to another one here that noone can misconstrue as a dig at your current alliance status.

You regularly invade and evict smaller wormhole corps from w-space either of their own accord or through mercenary contracts. You obviously have a direct input into this practice through being the merc contracts manager and have been involved in a fair few evictions in your own time. You also exclusively live in a high class wormhole and have done for some time. My question to you is, why should the multitude of small-medium wormhole corporations vote for you to represent them, when you could end up evicting them from w-space; also why should these people vote for you, someone from the "c5/6 big boys club" over someone from a class closer to their own, or someone with experience over a range of classes?
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-03-13 18:25:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Chitsa Jason
Controlled Burn wrote:
Again you havn't answered my question, and continued to skirt around the issue here. So im going to move on to another one here that noone can misconstrue as a dig at your current alliance status.

You regularly invade and evict smaller wormhole corps from w-space either of their own accord or through mercenary contracts. You obviously have a direct input into this practice through being the merc contracts manager and have been involved in a fair few evictions in your own time. You also exclusively live in a high class wormhole and have done for some time. My question to you is, why should the multitude of small-medium wormhole corporations vote for you to represent them, when you could end up evicting them from w-space; also why should these people vote for you, someone from the "c5/6 big boys club" over someone from a class closer to their own, or someone with experience over a range of classes?



We have to agree to disagree here as I think I have answered your question. If not please post a concrete one.

Yes if people vote for me I still might evict them. I don't think that CSM vote should be tied to some sort of security. Votes for non eviction sounds stupid to me. As far as high class living goes - yes I do live in high class but in order to get to places like high sec or low sec I often have to scan through C4-C1 and I often go to high sec for day tripping roams. Which means that even If I live in C6 or C5 I visit all classes of wormhole space. It is a myth that if you live in higher class you always stay there.

Also I have experience in living across most of the classes as I lived in C2, C3, C4, C5 and C6.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Controlled Burn
PBAB AND CO
#93 - 2013-03-13 20:01:37 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Controlled Burn wrote:
Again you havn't answered my question, and continued to skirt around the issue here. So im going to move on to another one here that noone can misconstrue as a dig at your current alliance status.

You regularly invade and evict smaller wormhole corps from w-space either of their own accord or through mercenary contracts. You obviously have a direct input into this practice through being the merc contracts manager and have been involved in a fair few evictions in your own time. You also exclusively live in a high class wormhole and have done for some time. My question to you is, why should the multitude of small-medium wormhole corporations vote for you to represent them, when you could end up evicting them from w-space; also why should these people vote for you, someone from the "c5/6 big boys club" over someone from a class closer to their own, or someone with experience over a range of classes?



We have to agree to disagree here as I think I have answered your question. If not please post a concrete one.

Yes if people vote for me I still might evict them. I don't think that CSM vote should be tied to some sort of security. Votes for non eviction sounds stupid to me. As far as high class living goes - yes I do live in high class but in order to get to places like high sec or low sec I often have to scan through C4-C1 and I often go to high sec for day tripping roams. Which means that even If I live in C6 or C5 I visit all classes of wormhole space. It is a myth that if you live in higher class you always stay there.

Also I have experience in living across most of the classes as I lived in C2, C3, C4, C5 and C6.


Im afraid you appear to misconstrue my question here, im not saying that if people vote for you, they shouldnt get evicted and im pretty certain that the question i asked up there mentioned nothing of the sort. What im saying is that why do you feel the plethora of smaller members of the wormhole community should vote for you, if you make a point of removing them from that community. Im not pvp averse but curbstomping new blood and your electorate out of wormholes seems counterproductive to me
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#94 - 2013-03-13 21:30:47 UTC
One does not simply curbstomp a small corp from a lower class wormhole.

.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-03-13 21:59:41 UTC
Controlled Burn wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Controlled Burn wrote:
Again you havn't answered my question, and continued to skirt around the issue here. So im going to move on to another one here that noone can misconstrue as a dig at your current alliance status.

You regularly invade and evict smaller wormhole corps from w-space either of their own accord or through mercenary contracts. You obviously have a direct input into this practice through being the merc contracts manager and have been involved in a fair few evictions in your own time. You also exclusively live in a high class wormhole and have done for some time. My question to you is, why should the multitude of small-medium wormhole corporations vote for you to represent them, when you could end up evicting them from w-space; also why should these people vote for you, someone from the "c5/6 big boys club" over someone from a class closer to their own, or someone with experience over a range of classes?



We have to agree to disagree here as I think I have answered your question. If not please post a concrete one.

Yes if people vote for me I still might evict them. I don't think that CSM vote should be tied to some sort of security. Votes for non eviction sounds stupid to me. As far as high class living goes - yes I do live in high class but in order to get to places like high sec or low sec I often have to scan through C4-C1 and I often go to high sec for day tripping roams. Which means that even If I live in C6 or C5 I visit all classes of wormhole space. It is a myth that if you live in higher class you always stay there.

Also I have experience in living across most of the classes as I lived in C2, C3, C4, C5 and C6.


Im afraid you appear to misconstrue my question here, im not saying that if people vote for you, they shouldnt get evicted and im pretty certain that the question i asked up there mentioned nothing of the sort. What im saying is that why do you feel the plethora of smaller members of the wormhole community should vote for you, if you make a point of removing them from that community. Im not pvp averse but curbstomping new blood and your electorate out of wormholes seems counterproductive to me


Well then again I feel like I answered your question :)

I do not know where you read that I want to remove people from community but you are completely wrong. Removing POSes or killing a carrier is not removing people from community. It is creating content or enjoying PVP.

I never ever made a point that I want to remove people from community. Ever.

Looking at your kill-board stats it looks like you are PVP averse as I have not seen a single kill under your character.

Last time I have evicted someone from C1-C4 crowd was probably years ago. So your point that we remove new blood life of wormhole space is invalid as well.

As far as new players go I have an alt in C1 wormhole where I help completely new players to set up and try out wormhole space, I have been on few EVE UNI Wormhole round-tables to raise the awareness about our community. I am also in constant communication with various newer wormhole entities helping them out.

In the end I think you have completely wrong idea about what I do in eve and what I want to do. Removing small corporations from EvE is not one of my goals in game.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-03-14 00:16:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Chitsa Jason
Quote:


Im glad you agree, perhaps you could answer it for me?

Whilst I accept that I maybe was incorrect in stating that your alliances failcascade every 6 months, you spent the entirity of your answer trying to prove me wrong, and then following that up with some self gratifying fluff about what a sizable impact youve made on wormhole space. In fact, the only part which even comes close to answering my original question is "As far as CSM goes I plan to abandon most of my meta roles in game in order to concentrate on being CSM. " Which only tells me what your not going to do (arguably), rather than what you are going to do; which as Im sure you will agree, tells me absolutely nothing.

Irregardless of whether I was right or wrong, the fact remains that you will have made significant leadership failures during your time in game; in fact, the exhale. name was taken out from under you http://themittani.com/news/exhale-out-breath so please dont try and insult the communities intelligence by passing it off as a change of alliance name; you also hold a sizable position of leadership in exhale. as well. So again I will ask you:

how could we rely on you to not display this failing of leadership as a CSM member
what would you do differently to ensure cohesion among the CSM
why would we have not seen these factors displayed in game in keeping your alliance together

Im sure the rest of your electorate would appreciate an straightforward answer this time instead of uninformative spin.

Thanks

CB




I am going to answer these questions more clearly if you wish so.

First of all I was never CEO or executor of Exhale. alliance. So it is not my choice or decision to form it under new name or do anything with it. It is up to CEOs of the corporations in the alliance. I might be perceived as public figure of those alliances but in reality what I do is I represent them much like diplomat in an embassy in foreign country.

I would disagree that I made significant failures during my time in any alliances. There were mistakes sure, but who does not make those. Then I do not perceive the transformation of the alliance as a failure.

If you perceive random babbling on one of the channels which is quoted there you should probably take it with a grain of salt. Especially considering the rest of quoted text there ;)

To answer your questions:
I do not believe I made significant failures in any leadership roles. If you believe I did it I respect your opinion but we would have to agree to disagree here.

I do not believe there is direct correlation between being CSM and Alliance leader of some sorts. Some traits might be great but others might be not.

It is not my job to keep the alliance together it is the job of alliance executor and CEOs of the corporations. I was neither CEO nor Executor. In the end it is their decision to disband or change the alliance name if they wish so.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-03-22 02:02:15 UTC
CCP has accepted my application for CSM elections :) So it is officially official now :)

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-03-26 16:01:01 UTC
Pre election voting is live: Voting is live: https://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/candidates

Please vote if not for me then for someone you like :)

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Lenier Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#99 - 2013-03-26 16:40:55 UTC
Why are you running for CSM when people are saying that you are going afk for a few months here soon? Can you confirm or deny these rumors?
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-03-26 16:51:19 UTC
Lenier Chenal wrote:
Why are you running for CSM when people are saying that you are going afk for a few months here soon? Can you confirm or deny these rumors?


These are not rumors. My EvE time will decrease from 8 hours to like 4 per day for next few months.

I think 4 hours per day will still be sufficient for CSM.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me