EVE General Discussion

i know we are always getting more tech and better shineys but ive always wondered does ccp continue with the jovian line also.......i know they are already uber and all that jazz but surely their tech will also advance in line with ours. or if the rumours are to be beleived and they are a dieing race have they just taken a well earned break a bit like the greeks did

Society of Conscious Thought is a bit different from the actual Jove, though

Are we? Where is this stated? Yes, I know gnosis is on the test server but I also understood from what the dev's have said that it was unintentional. Nothing I've read has pointed towards the fact the yes, gnosis will be releases on TQ in the future.

So possibly some innovative implants, or new and interesting combat pharmaceuticals...

Or they are busy forming biological hiveminds, retroviruses that rewrite any found genome to be more suitable to Jove, biobased nanotech, making themselves far beyond even the immortal soldiers (Templar 1 is a great book go forth and buy it), and more.


The dying bit is annoying though as you could just put them in cryo or outright temporal stasis until a cure is found.
Or for real fun slap a few into a scanner and just watch which part of the brains go bad then work out a replacement for those parts.
And if it turns out to be the result of depression then just put in a tasp and when ever they start to go suicidal turn on the current and watch as they become all rainbows and sunshine.
Frankly I think it would be hilarious if they introduced a Jove capsuleer who turned out to be in the early stages of the disease and so each clone has a random lifespan while the Jovian proper with all the ideas memories and all keep going on.
This way you could have him pop in and do some things then go and decide to find out what molten plasma feels like just before the critical info is given.

Basically less elves in space more fleshed out race shrouded in mystery as no one found them in time.

The Jovians will be the harbingers of change in EVE. None will stand before them and survive.

They will wipe the stars clean of Humanity's filth and we'll all start over again with ZERO skill points and empty wallets -- and NO LAG.

Or not.

We have the tech now
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=implant-epilepsy-seizure
Turns out it also works on depression.


as for the GP hull

Here's some data for various real materials;

Material (real) Strength (N/cm^2) Specific Density
Tensile Compressive Shear Strength g/cm^3

Steel, Mild 386,700 386,700 316,400 482 8.027
Steel, Nickel (3.25%) 703,000 703,000 703,000 894 7.860
Steel, Maraging 2,152,000 1,764,640 2681 8.027
Aluminum 5083 (MIL-A-46026) 35,000 132 2.657
Duralumin 43,400 124 3.510
Aluminum Alloy (7001-T6) 67,500 250 2.700
Titanium (Ti-6AL-4V/MIL-A-46077) 97,000 219 4.420
Titanium (heat-treated beta alloy) 1,380,000 3080 4.480
Carbon Fibre (typical) 200,000 160,000 889 2.250
Carbon Fibre (best available) 827,300 682,000 4472 1.850

Pretty poor and easily defeated by the kiloton level weapons we chuck about

However, here are some materials that we may be able to mass produce in the near future

Material (theoretical) Strength (N/cm^2) Specific Density
Tensile Compressive Shear Strength g/cm^3

Monocrystalline Iron 4,600,000 4,600,000 660,000 6013 7.650
Flawless Diamond 10,000,000 50,000,000 12,100,000 28450 3.515
Carbon Nanotube Composite 30,000,000 16,100,000 16,100,000 230769

Let's assume monocrystalline iron is a cheap structural material and can be welded into structures as required. Flawless diamond is reasonably cheap but has to be factory made into specific pieces (which can be quite large, up to ten metres in each dimension) and is fairly brittle. Nanotube composite resembles incredibly strong carbon fibre, with similar costs and properties to current carbon fibre. With these materials high-performance aircraft will get about 100 times harder to damage, if they switch to nanotube composite and keep the same hull mass. Ground vehicles and ships will probably use monocrystalline iron frames with diamond plating or layered carbon armour (actually in practice probably some kind of premanufactured diamond/nanotube composite), for a 60 to 100 fold improvement on RHA per unit mass. Note the carbon nanotubes also have about 50 times the thermal conductivity of steel, which means melting your way through the armour will also be tough. Finally lets say that nanotube based hyperconductors also become mass-producable; these have a resistance of about 1000 times lower than copper (at room temperature), making damage from electric current a very low probability.

Now here is a theoretical material based on computer simulations that's far, far beyond these; ring carbon lattice (essentially benzene-like rings interlinked in a 3D structure). The projected properties are;

Material (theoretical) Strength (N/cm^2) Specific Density
Tensile Compressive Shear Strength g/cm^3

Ring Carbon (3D Benzene Lattice) 1.0E+15 9.30E+14 9.3E+12 6.2E+12 2.400

Supposedly these remarkable properties (10 billion times as strong as RHA!) come from exploiting shared electron cloud repulsion for strength to supplement the usual covalent molecular bonds. The only way you're going to kill targets like that is with spalling or denaturing; pouring enough energy into the material that it breaks down. If it has thermal breakdown properties similar to diamond (which is probably a lower bound) I'd estimate it requires about 5 KJ/gram to denature, but it's extremely conductive, so melting your way through it will be hard. If we ever become able to produce this material it may take a direct hit with a multimegaton nuke just to kill one battleship equivalent. OTOH it doesn't give you any special protection against neutrons (AFAIK), so enhanced radiation warheads may be the way to go

I like to imagine that Sansha has taken over Jove space and will soon be a playable faction.

You seem to be forgetting hybrid rounds fire am shells.
Also they killed another hull with a comms laser.
And really a single molecule is weak to quite a few things from acids and bases reacting thus altering the structure to short pulse high frequency & amplitude energy systems that cause surface plasma detonations to generation of aniparticles through high intensity LASER strikes to well energizing until the bonds fail (helloo projectiles)
The GP hull was only good because the space police ******** all the good techs.
Diamond is mono molecular yet we wouldnt armour tanks out of it alone.
On the other hand so are carbon nanostructures and while grand they have numerous issues and again can be defeated by local methods.
Also if you ship lets light in then you can just flashbake everyone inside with a visible laser and that would be the end of it.
Or depending on how dense it is I could use high energy particles or even a theoretical neutrino emission system (we can do that but it acts rather more as a point source than a beam. Kind of hard to get wimps to do what you want)

Wait saying the word meaning held back starting with r and ending with d is now a banned word?
Learn something new I guess.

The spring one was good with all the implants and ships and such.