EVE General Discussion

There will always be a massive group of people who don't want to fight in Real Life or in Games.

Get over it. It's just reality.

And you can't change it.


EDIT: Also, if you want that, that's fine, but QUIT CRYING TEARS as there is Low, Null AND WormHoles, which you just pretend don't exist. Jesus

Is the limits with POS'es and limited slots in the big player constructed stations the major issue?
I've heard many separate complaints about available slots before, I never understood why players have no game options to improve stations with upgrades. It would make more sense to me.

As far as Incursions - or any missions for that matter - making them static and predictable turns into a checklist, not a missions. It's a shame they are used purely as an ISK wallet, rather then for fun.

Improving station would not solve anything by itself since it would cost money wich high sec does nto ahve to spend and still have the crazy logistic problems to work around making it still more of a PITA than high sec.

There's nothing wrong with highsec. Most players are choosing to live in a safer, lonelier version of it by dodging a major form of PvP activity that is supposed to exist there. Being able to make that decision is what's wrong.

By that you mean that it generates too much in the way of resources? If you have someone selling a PLEX once a month to buy gear, they still technically need player created gear like hulls and modules, so someone still has to manufacture those, and I guess most is done near trade hubs, and since even those trade hubs were selected by players, It's still player generated game play.

You would literally have to change jump routes to get players out of their "confort zones" but changes to that would just cause players to flock to a new spot rather then a change in playing style.

I agree that hisec tends to focus players there more, it's just that changes to any space, in my opinion, won't majorly alter people play style, it will just make them readjust ever so slightly.

It's because of stupid. I was given the proof today.

... so you always post in topics you don't care about or am I special?

What area of space do you mostly work in?

Topic name was wrong I guess. I really wanted to ask what regions of space people had an issue with regarding the type of game play, as I can't really see major issues in any, as each has it's advantages, and i am not aware of any crippling issues, at least based on what I have read so far, hence the "am i missing something?"

Its not mechanics based, its the people that are there. The vocal minority want eve to be this happy cuddly place where we shoot pillows at each other instead of rockets, lasers or bullets. They want to make millions, no make that billions of isk with no risk to themselves. They complain when things are made slightly harder or impact their isk per hour. They make stupid decisions then refuse to take responsibility for their idiocy and blame CCP, the other person, some other thing for the mistake.
I have lived in highsec for around 3/4 of my Eve time, and yet I am fine with making it more risky in highsec and cannot understand why in a game that is based on an unforgiving universe people want to make it more forgiving.

So the hate isn't on highsec, more on the vocal minority

Point 1. You are trying to understand something, but then you use very emotive words such as "hate". It seems like an attempt to skew the debate already; as if you've made up your mind that players in high-sec have some form of moral high ground while those who prefer other sectors of space must somehow feel "hate".

That's a pretty strong emotion, dude. Especially for a fracking video game.

Point 2; I don't think you can ever prove this. It is a subjective thing that will be influenced by your own play style.

For myself, I prefer that my sandbox is nice, clean and pure and while high-sec exists it's akin to restraints of trade, tariffs and other forms of economical meddling. I do not believe that players need the level of safety that high-sec is granting them and that there will be ways to reduce that margin of safety and freeing it up so it becomes a player run environment.

Be that through strengthening the influence of NPC corporations based off the number of players that belong to them or some other mechanism. I dislike the omnipotent ships of CONCORD, the lack of capital ships in high-sec space and feel that those artificial restrictions to protect players impinge on the purity of the sandbox.

I think a similar, but not quite the same, level of security can be implemented through game design that will hide the obvious, glaring disconnects that high sec has with the rest of the game world and will allow new players a reasonable amount of freedom to enter the game and enjoy themselves.

Yes, harsh. But more in keeping with how I envision New Eden. And I don't discount the strength of players. Look at how the Dust players have taken control, how corporations have grown in New Eden for functions NOT PROVIDED by the game developer. I can't see a game where the cranial-rectal inverted players rule; because I believe others will stand up against them.



I'm coming perilously close to that. Yes, it should exist. But it should be defeat-able.

Or rather: "I want to control what people are allowed to do and not allowed to do; so I will put rules and strictures in place and pretend I'm giving them freedom of choice".