Crime & Punishment

Where?

Noone is saying that PvP has to be consensual. But if you do it in high sec you should have to deal with CONCORD. That's all. If you shoot at them, you have all the freedom to do that, but deal with the consequences based on where you are and what you're doing. You should be able to bump them all you want, but there should be a consequence for it. You're saying that mining a rock in high sec should have danger. Ok. What danger are you in when you actively bump others? You want others to have consequences but not you? I'm confused.

..So wait. Your saying that "playing" AFK is a legitimate form of gameplay? And saying anyone who mocks someone for his style of "gameplay" is disrespectful? AND saying that an AFKer "playing" an AFK game style in a full contact game such as Eve should be safe from non AFK pilots?

And they say James 315 is the crazy one.

miners also have no idea that suspect flagging is global and utterly refuse to communicate with other players so you only need to worry about other people shooting you if your ship is self named.

Miner gankers are the kind of people who confuse seal clubbing with actual hunting.

I have the utmost respect for real PvPers. People who go into the wilds of low and null, risking everything by diving into unknown situations and engaging in battles that are always some kind of gamble. That takes balls.

But miner gankers? They're using stock fit catalysts with pre-established DPS damage pre-calculated against a helpless target that is equally pre-calculated in it's EHP. There is no chance involved. They know the outcome before they even undock.

The sad reality is that these guys are even more risk adverse than the miners themselves. As evidenced by the fact that the single best tank/deterrent against miner gankers is ECM drones. Wait, what, you say? ECM drones which will respond instantly from the second the first shot is fired and may or may not fubar their Catalyst's ability to follow through on it's predicted results before CONCORD can finish them off.

It may shut them down completely, causing them to waste a gank ship for nothing. Or it may do absolutely nothing and they might win anyway. But the mere fact that this unknown, random variable even exists is enough to send them off sulking in search for the easy, predictable, risk-free results that they so desperately crave.

And therein lays the true hypocrisy of the gankers & bumptards: For all the rant & ramble about making hi-sec less risk-free, in the end they themselves are the most risk adverse group of all. Because if they really did want risk, if they really did have any testicular matter to their names, then they'd be out in low/null with the real PvPers - the real risk takers of EvE. But they can't even bring themselves to take a shot at an ECM ship for fear that their precious gank spreadsheet results might be thrown awry.

If that's not the epitome of cowardice then I don't know what is.

Ardallabier.

In the belts.

Everyone forgets Ard has many, many asteroid belts......

He wasn't the only one, either.......

PVP is PVP, except when it's not.

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say can-flipping is completely dead, but it's damned near so. There's hardly anyone in the belts anymore these days, other than AFK miners throw loads of Ore into Freighters and Orca. OTOH, it should make things cheaper due to the resultant drop in mineral prices.

But I agree with the OP, it just doesn't happen much anymore so, miners are happy.

Can flipping is better now than it's ever been. If you cant get fights/kills by flipping cans in the era of crimewatch you should probably quit eve because you're bad.

Many a newbie can flipper has fallen victim to my battle badger and trollolosprey™. If I was a dedicated enough ******* to train for exhumers I'm sure I could kill them even better with those.