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CCP: The Deimos!!!!!!!!!!

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Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#41 - 2011-10-24 04:55:56 UTC
Hentes Zsemle wrote:
Without the details of the coming hybrid buff, there is no way to tell if the deimos needs attention or not.


agreed, till we see what the actual planned "hybrid rebalance" is in the winter patch calling for xyz ship that uses hybrids to be buffed/nerfed is pointless, wait and see then see what the rebalance is like, and i'm sure there's more ships need tweeks out there, so let ccp get the winter patch sorted and out before asking for buffs/nerfs
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#42 - 2011-10-24 07:22:06 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
Hentes Zsemle wrote:
Without the details of the coming hybrid buff, there is no way to tell if the deimos needs attention or not.


agreed, till we see what the actual planned "hybrid rebalance" is in the winter patch calling for xyz ship that uses hybrids to be buffed/nerfed is pointless, wait and see then see what the rebalance is like, and i'm sure there's more ships need tweeks out there, so let ccp get the winter patch sorted and out before asking for buffs/nerfs

Fixing hybrids will still not save the deimos.
The deimos itself needs a form of buff, and the best one would be to remove the utility high and give it another mid or low slot (would prefer mid)

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Lee Vanden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-10-25 23:38:37 UTC
Agreed, to be a viable PvP HAC the Deimos desperately needs a fourth midslot and a massive powergrid boost, and it really doesn't need the utility highslot.
Kazia Fey
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-10-25 23:46:07 UTC
Alxea wrote:
Needs a web bonus, and a 4th mid slot, fixes all its issues.



This is exactly what needs to happen.

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Kazia Fey
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-10-25 23:47:09 UTC
Lee Vanden wrote:
Agreed, to be a viable PvP HAC the Deimos desperately needs a fourth midslot and a massive powergrid boost, and it really doesn't need the utility highslot.



But the small NOS helps sooooooooooooooooooooooo much. Straight


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Lee Vanden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-10-25 23:49:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lee Vanden
While we're asking for stuff, a third rig slot would be awesome too. It seems silly that the thorax has 3 but the T2 version only has 2, and it would help loads with the speed / tank issues helping counter-balance its inherent range disadvantage.
Aimee Grimes
#47 - 2011-10-31 09:06:36 UTC
Tech 2 ships tend to have only 2 rig slots. If I remember correctly, the rigs were meant to bring Tech 1 and Tech 2 ships closer together. Still, I don't see why Tech 3 cruisers do have 3 rig slots then.

Anyways, the Deimos needs some love. More speed and less agility might be a step forward, but I would rather like to see the MWD capacitor bonus changed to either the "standard" Gallente web bonus or some friction extension, making it able to actually catch something from more than 14 km out. Slots are fine, coz' we luv the NOS!
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2011-10-31 10:52:11 UTC
Aimee Grimes wrote:
Tech 2 ships tend to have only 2 rig slots. If I remember correctly, the rigs were meant to bring Tech 1 and Tech 2 ships closer together. Still, I don't see why Tech 3 cruisers do have 3 rig slots then.

Anyways, the Deimos needs some love. More speed and less agility might be a step forward, but I would rather like to see the MWD capacitor bonus changed to either the "standard" Gallente web bonus or some friction extension, making it able to actually catch something from more than 14 km out. Slots are fine, coz' we luv the NOS!


It's getting some love in the winter expansion. Go find the leak, it's in there.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-10-31 12:44:27 UTC
Once upon a time they called if Deimos, he was powerful and feared.

Then became the Diemost, the ugly HAC's child and was spanked more often than he could spank something

But sooner, my friends, he will be re named "Die-less" and he will be feared again (soon in winter 2025 at 11.30 UTC)
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2011-10-31 15:34:51 UTC
The same goes for all Blasterboats. It's just worse for the Deimos due to the little it can do to make its price tag worth it.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Kazia Fey
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-11-01 00:00:43 UTC
Aimee Grimes wrote:
Tech 2 ships tend to have only 2 rig slots. If I remember correctly, the rigs were meant to bring Tech 1 and Tech 2 ships closer together. Still, I don't see why Tech 3 cruisers do have 3 rig slots then.

Anyways, the Deimos needs some love. More speed and less agility might be a step forward, but I would rather like to see the MWD capacitor bonus changed to either the "standard" Gallente web bonus or some friction extension, making it able to actually catch something from more than 14 km out. Slots are fine, coz' we luv the NOS!



That's a good point, I never thought about the T3's having 3 rigs instead of 1.

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Lee Vanden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-11-05 18:47:36 UTC
I was just on SISI trying to fit out a Diemost with the new hybrid changes. I have advanced weapon upgrades 4 and by putting 2 Ancilliary Current Routers in the rig slots I was able to fit:

4 Neutron and 1 Ion blaster in the highs
MWD, scram and web in the mids
DC, EANM, Explosive Hardener, 1600mm RT plate and 2 Mag Stabs in the lows

Considering this ship is supposed to be the ulitmate short range HAC. it costs more than the Megathron, and it's about to be completely outgunned by the new Talos, and it's still too slow to get into range, it needs some serious love.

The utility high should be converted to a turret point
It needs a CPU boost and a massive PG boost
It needs an extra midslot
It needs a speed boost allowing it to reach 2000m/s with the MWD on

As standard it should be able to fit:

6 Neutron blasters in the highs
MWD, scram, web, and cap injector in the mids
DC, EANM, Explosive Hardener, 1600mm RT plate and 2 Mag Stabs in the lows

This would leave the 2 rig slots free to add extra tank, gank or speed depending on the pilots preference. People will say this is overpowered, but the Diemos is supposed to be overpowering if it manages to get into range to use it's weapons, just read the description:

"Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. "
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