Missions & Complexes

Having run Incursions for over a year I can now say that they are no longer better ISK that running LVL-4 missions.
When I first started doing Incursions I would:

1. Move my ships and the necessary items to the nearest active Incursion system. (30 minutes to 2 hours)
2. Wait for my friends to arrive. (never could tell)
3. Start a fleet that would toil on till we ran out of online members. (4 to 8 hours)
4. Then log off and the following day start up with a fleet the same friends and do it again till the Incursion Mom site is done.

This would net me about 100 mil an hour for my time online.

Lately I have been doing the same thing but different.

1. Move to Incursion.(30min to 2 hours)
2. Start or get into fleet. Watch fleet grow from VG to AS to HQ
3. See all communities get scared that the other community is going to do the MOM.
4. See MOM get completed
5. See Mail for incursion completed
6. See Local explode
7. Move again.

Time from start to finish, 6 hours, and total earned was 300 mil give or take.

Same time invested in LVL4 missions netted me 390 mil in bounties and Mission rewards, plus 375 mil in loot, not to mention the standings from completing 3 storylines.
Total gains from missions 765milion ISK, as well as two 2% and one 8% Amarr Standings Boost.

I guess this is more a statement that a question. So let’s add a question Anyone else getting tired of the never ending space convoy to earn less ISK for more work.

The first part of your post is not valid anymore due to e-peen and ego farming all around these days.
Before the e-peen and ego farming there was something called an agreement, this was between armor and shields, now we have to much groups and to much ego running around so a new agreement is not possible anymore hence no one gets to make isk like they did.

So yes i agree, and also im afraid this will continue till the ego's are putt down again and people realize that no one can tell someone else how to play even in high sec.

Yeah I totally agree, and know what caused this, It has me so wound up I can't even trust myself to get on comms for fear of losing what little composure I have left.

I also Know that it is not JUST ISN, this is happening wether ISN is doing an HQ fleet or not.

Its not my ISN, for 1 thing and secondly i cant tell ISN what to do, like i cant tell you to write something that actually helps on the forums

:)

My daughter just made a suggestion, we (the Incursion FC's) war dec each other, the last Incirsion FC standings get to chose when the MOM site gets done and by whom for a period of 45 days then we do it again.

The idea was just crazy enough that I wanted to pass it on.

I dont run with pub fleets, and my actual ISK per hour when in Fleet wether I am FC or not is closer to 140 than 100, but as an average over time including tavel and form up I am saying 100 mil/h

My OP was more to point out that even though I thouroughly enjoy the content, the current e-peen makes it more of an annoyance to attempt than the ISK is worth.

Knowing that I can log in and create a VG fleet with 10k DPS within minutes still doesn't motivate, as it just seems to escalate to HQ and MOM everytime. If not by us, they by another group concerned that someone else might do it.

On a sidenote: After the VG nerf we dropped to 60 mil/h then min/max'ed to 80 mil/h, then CCP 'fixed' them and we got back to 110 mil/h assaults at 130, HQ's between 130/h to 150/h. (Average FC with mixed fleet comp)

So is there a purpose, beyond just being annoying? (which is a valid tactic in much of EVE). I mean ending the incursion ends it for both the shield and armor groups, causing everyone to have to move.

its all actually.. incursion community fault. They started a race when it comes to mom. And the funny part was people laughing about being able to pop mom first. As as darth mention there was an agreement before that some communities just broke and make fun of it. Now there shouldn't be crying out at all. All they have to do is gather and make a new one , and this time actually follow it

Well all agreements are flawed in the sandbox we defecates in in because it is imposible to include everyone... I accept that & understand your PoV... it was alot more stable then the old 4 hour MOM kills but less so then the1-2 day MOMs we see now.

When Incursions first started armour had a social advantage in the MOM fleets believe it or not due to early organization but farmers were able to forge the MOM takedown agreements after the flawed invincible MOM site that & since then shield fleets took precedence & the Escalation nerf REALLY put armour fleets at a GREAT disadvantage [ efff U CCP for not seeing that & I hate you for it :'( and will forever be a bitter vet because of it ]

Only way I see a great shakeup for Incursions now is if a new pirate Incursion is started TBH because agrueing over current Sansha sites is a meta gamebest left forthose null lords on the CSMwhom don't give ashiteabout Incursions especially now that the Incursion communities have been decimated


& yes I'm a lil drunk & bitter posting right now at almost 4am but my heart is in the right place: IMHO INCURSIONS NEED A SHAKEUP SOON BEFORETHEY BECOME WHAT HAPPENED TO FW and numbers take a second& final nose dive unless we get a lil help like FW did with a FW CSM

You realize that DIN started most of it right? And their "agreement" was to never let ISN get a mom site, it rotated between TVP and DIN.

seems fair