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If wormhole spawns are truly random...

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JINGKO BELLS
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-08 16:58:11 UTC
.. then this is crazy.

I live in a c3 and we currently have a direct to high sec wormhole, (not our static) which we have had for about 12 hrs now.

Just scanned down another WH in our c3, (again not our static) leading to a c1 with a high sec exit to.... yup you guess it. the same high sec system.

Just wanted to share this semi-amusing anecdote of WH life and coincidences. Anyone else have any scary coincidence stories?

o/
Cap James Tkirk
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-02-08 17:02:57 UTC
thats all right our static yesterday lead to a C2 where we got a thorax..........
today a brand new static 2 statics later and its the same C2
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-08 17:03:59 UTC
JINGKO BELLS wrote:
.. then this is crazy.

I live in a c3 and we currently have a direct to high sec wormhole, (not our static) which we have had for about 12 hrs now.

Just scanned down another WH in our c3, (again not our static) leading to a c1 with a high sec exit to.... yup you guess it. the same high sec system.

Just wanted to share this semi-amusing anecdote of WH life and coincidences. Anyone else have any scary coincidence stories?

o/



I once had 2 incoming k162's from the same nullsec system.

Once I was living in a C2. In the morning I had used a scan alt to scan down the HS static. I warped to it, and bookmarked it, but for some reason (can't remember why) I hadn't jumped through).


Later that day i was exploring around high sec. I came across a k162 WH and jumped in. It was the static to the C2 that I had scanned down earlier with my alt. I still remember the system was Hai in domain.

Not long ago I ended up getting a 5 system WH chain that ended back at our WH. Literally there was no way out.

Pobunjenik
Resbroko Liberation Fleet
#4 - 2013-02-08 17:10:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pobunjenik
Looks random to me.

EDIT: Nothing is truly random, EVE only has the second best, PSEUDOrandom stuff.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-08 17:57:20 UTC
It happens, and I can confirm that having a static to one system and the static of that system leading right back to the same system is also possible. It's extremely rare but it happens.
WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-08 19:00:37 UTC
We were running a merc op trying to get our fleet inside before the invaders collapsed the static hi sec. After a couple unsuccessful attempts (getting their too late) we called for everyone to stage in amarr while we raced for the next hi sec. Turns out the new one opened up right in amarr.

Bob is fickle, and has a great sense of humor.
GunnersMate07
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-08 22:56:33 UTC
If you scan enough you will see weird instances like this every now and then. It is completely random, but it's still funny having things like your chain mapper make a big loop because a wormhole down the chain connected to your home system, etc

My personal favorite was getting a big fleet together to help defend a system from an invasion. We had caps, and were going to attempt to roll all night because the hostiles had wh control and strong coverage. The odds of rolling into a specific c5 are about 0.2% per attempt. Thus we were prepared to roll all weekend if needed. We got the target hole on the second roll after about 2 minutes of rolling. Bob is a mysterious wh god
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-02-08 23:41:50 UTC
Some time ago, when I was in the trade of unocuppied wormholes, I was scanning down a pipe of hi-sec systems, towards a dead end.
Only the 2 last ones remained at the end of it, let's say systems A and B, being B the one in the dead end.

So I scanned A, found nothing. Went to B, scanned it down and found a WH. I happily went inside in hope of finding a system probably not very visited. Then I found myself at system A. It took me a while to realize what happened. Then I went back home like 'oh well at least i have to do 2 less jumps'.
Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-02-09 03:26:39 UTC
I once had a C2 or C3 with static leading to a high sec system, and a k162 from the same high sec at the same time.

Also had a C4 static C4 with a 5 jumps pipe leading to the entrance system, no other solution.

two version of the snake biting his tail.
Reverend'Mother Lucilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-02-09 09:51:54 UTC
We once had a static leading to some Amarr system. The next day when I went to scan down the new static, i warped to the old WH just to make sure it had naturally cycled. I was confused to see it still there well after the timer should have expired. I scanned out for the new static, finding nothing, only to realize that the WH now lead to Caldari space instead. Didn't even notice that hr colour of the WH had changed at first.

Makes me think that sites and WH's follow along a grid in every system & can only spawn in certain places throughout.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-09 10:49:26 UTC
Reverend'Mother Lucilla wrote:
We once had a static leading to some Amarr system. The next day when I went to scan down the new static, i warped to the old WH just to make sure it had naturally cycled. I was confused to see it still there well after the timer should have expired. I scanned out for the new static, finding nothing, only to realize that the WH now lead to Caldari space instead. Didn't even notice that hr colour of the WH had changed at first.

Makes me think that sites and WH's follow along a grid in every system & can only spawn in certain places throughout.


If a static wormhole is set to expire during downtime, the new one spawns in the exact same spot and the destination is randomized again.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-10 18:14:12 UTC
Wormholes are not random, they have a random element though
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-11 09:55:25 UTC
Favourite example of this is us finding an outbound Null from our C5. We jumped in, finding local empty and scanned about. We found a wormhole and, you guessed it, it went back to our home system. We had 2 wormholes to the same system /o\
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-11 12:10:52 UTC
tgl3 wrote:
Favourite example of this is us finding an outbound Null from our C5. We jumped in, finding local empty and scanned about. We found a wormhole and, you guessed it, it went back to our home system. We had 2 wormholes to the same system /o\


Thats funny in PvP when the enemy has only scanned 1 hole down, and it camping it. double-sided attack FTW!
Horus V
The Destined
#15 - 2013-02-11 12:30:29 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
It happens, and I can confirm that having a static to one system and the static of that system leading right back to the same system is also possible. It's extremely rare but it happens.


It actually happened to us few weeks ago.

V

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#16 - 2013-02-11 12:54:14 UTC
With thousands of people scanning in EVE every day, improbable events become certain to happen... to someone. Winning the lottery is very improbable, yet someone wins the lottery almost every week.

I'm quite sure there are no deliberate patterns in selection of target systems for wormholes. This doesn't necessarily mean that it is really random. There could be a fixed queue of systems waiting to be the next target system for the next newly activated wormhole (eligible for that system class). But as an individual player you'd have no control over that process so it is as good as random.

.

Slaangani
Omega Foundry Unit
Southern Legion Alliance
#17 - 2013-02-11 16:56:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaangani
I lived in a W-space continuously for around 540+ days and in my time there i can honestly say that WH spawning is not random, just seems like it.

I even had an ISD confirm that the new WH exit has no destination until you warp to it..

I even was so sad as to log every exit , keeping the WH exit bookmarking it in K-space.

After awhile i found that there was a reoccuring pattern, like a loop. It may not be the same system, but one jump over, following constellations etc.

Until one day i warped to an exit that was on the verge of collapse. So i waited as the timer ran down.

There i sat, cloaked in a Helios.. waiting and waiting.. well beyond its timer limit.

It didnt collapse.

I threw some probes out to scan for another exit but the only signature other than sleeper sites that came back was the WH i was staring at. Or thought it was.

I then realised that it was not the WH i had began to wait for to collapse.

Strangely enough, the new exit had appeared in the exact same spot as the old one, and led to the same exit system..

Very Bizarre What?
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#18 - 2013-02-11 21:54:16 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:

If a static wormhole is set to expire during downtime, the new one spawns in the exact same spot and the destination is randomized again.

Encountered that phenomenon about a week ago. My theory so far was that a corpi had screwed with the bookmark names Smile. Thanks for the explanation.
Calmatt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-02-12 03:30:34 UTC
Was moving out of a c5 static c1 with a highsec while, my alliance was moving into another c5 static c1, with a highsec. While moving my ship out I ran into my alliance mate from the new wormhole on the highsec, we freaked out for about 10 seconds. But when I warped my first ship onto the connecting wormhole to our new c5, it collapsed in front of me.

Was scanning all the sigs in my wormhole, when i find a k162. As I warp to the new signature it does before I land. Then I immediately scan again, find another wormhole, and it dies while I'm in warp as well.
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#20 - 2013-02-12 05:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Euthanasia Anneto
well, I once logged on, and noticed a incoming C2. whilst scouting trough and getting some intelligence about the residents, I noticed a POS with a Force Field. The moment I land on the moon where the POS was, the force field was down and the person was robbing the corp with his alt. After having some fun with those toons and the residents their carrier plus obtaining a new noctis and viator from them, the WH cycled by it's own at around 1600. At 2245 a new incoming C2 into our system and guess what... that same C2 I had my fun in ;)

Lately I'm noticing after each patch release a D382 in my home system which aint the normal static.

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