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CLOAKI alts hordes in fw plex

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praznimrak
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#1 - 2013-02-08 15:29:49 UTC
THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz

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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#2 - 2013-02-08 17:18:33 UTC
praznimrak wrote:
THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz

As much as i hate people bringing stabbed, cloaky frigs for plexing, if they don't want to fight, they won't fight. And sadly you can't force em to stay and explode.

You can't stop em so deal with it. It was much much much worse. Just go with that. :)

pew pew

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Angry Mustellid
#3 - 2013-02-08 17:53:19 UTC
WTS 11000 cloaked, double-stabbed frigates!

All colours, all sizes, payment options to suit you!
Ginger Barbarella
#4 - 2013-02-08 18:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
I thought camping a plex while cloaked was fixed?!!?!

Sweet... :) New tactic: Rifter with cheap cloak = win.

Edit: at least OP is actually in FW...

Edit 2: oooh! dual-stabbed, cloaky noob ship ftw!!! LP farming, here I come!! If you (or CCP) can't beat 'em (or fix the major problems), join 'em!

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Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#5 - 2013-02-08 19:47:27 UTC
Just one more reason why having plexing tied to sov tied to station docking is utterly stupid.

So many other ways to impose repercussions for system sov without having to make this dull-sec lite.

Was against it when proposed. Was against it when implemented. Am still against it. And always will be...

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-02-08 19:51:34 UTC
praznimrak wrote:
CCP, PLEASE FORCE THE OTHER KIDS TO PLAY WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Thx.
Praz


OP fixed for clarity.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#7 - 2013-02-08 20:15:54 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I thought camping a plex while cloaked was fixed?!!?!

Sweet... :) New tactic: Rifter with cheap cloak = win.

Edit: at least OP is actually in FW...

Edit 2: oooh! dual-stabbed, cloaky noob ship ftw!!! LP farming, here I come!! If you (or CCP) can't beat 'em (or fix the major problems), join 'em!


I think the op is just upset that people can cloak in plexes generally not that anything is actually broken.

When they are cloaked it is like they are not in the plex at all.

The enemy can still run the timer down when they are cloaked in the plex. And the timer will not run when they are alone and cloaked in the plex. I think this is working as intended.

You can cloak inside the plex and uncloak and tackle them once they land on top of you. Its just the timer will no tick while you are cloaked. You can also do this in missions BTW.

There used to be a bug where a defensive plexer could leave a cloaked ship in a plex he took and new plexes would then not spawn. There also used to be bugs where the plex timer would continue to tick even though the person in the plex was cloaked. I don't think the op is refering to either of these bugs which I beleive have been fixed.

People are likely fitting allot of cloaks on offensive plexing ships since they can't dock in enemy space. It wasn't hard to predict this would happen when they started locking people out of stations.

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GreenSeed
#8 - 2013-02-08 20:54:50 UTC
stabbed ships are fine, cloaky stabbed ships is a bit too much. the problem is that there are legitimate uses for cloaks inside plexes. so asking for a blank nerf to cloaks so they cant be used at all, it a bit too much.
praznimrak
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#9 - 2013-02-08 21:04:35 UTC
I all ways forget that eve forums are full of trolls and no way one can get attention of right ppls in here.

Shame.

So hard to improve this game.

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Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-08 21:18:26 UTC
praznimrak wrote:
THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz


What is the issue? when the Cloaked tirple stabbed rifter cloaks in the plex.....the timer stops and moves towards your side.....you have just negated him to being pointless.....

Tick down the timer, and take some LP and move the SOV towards your side....

what is the issue?

Oh you wanted him to fight you? ok so........ what if he dscaned, saw you on the gate and warped off? should he not be able to do that?

You can not make someone pvp, there is almost always an option to run, hide or flee, but a hiding ship does no win the SOV war or do anything for WZC



FYI, when my alt in the triple stabbed rifter cloaks in the Plex, my main is running the other plex in the system and is heading that way with eyes on you do remove you from the plex.....though 9/10 the guy leaves the plex and comes to my mains anyways, cuz 9/10 people dont play FW, they join FW to get KB stats.......and are not interested in winning the war and taking plexs
praznimrak
Level Up
#11 - 2013-02-08 23:23:58 UTC
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
praznimrak wrote:
THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz


What is the issue? when the Cloaked tirple stabbed rifter cloaks in the plex.....the timer stops and moves towards your side.....you have just negated him to being pointless.....

Tick down the timer, and take some LP and move the SOV towards your side....

what is the issue?

Oh you wanted him to fight you? ok so........ what if he dscaned, saw you on the gate and warped off? should he not be able to do that?

You can not make someone pvp, there is almost always an option to run, hide or flee, but a hiding ship does no win the SOV war or do anything for WZC



FYI, when my alt in the triple stabbed rifter cloaks in the Plex, my main is running the other plex in the system and is heading that way with eyes on you do remove you from the plex.....though 9/10 the guy leaves the plex and comes to my mains anyways, cuz 9/10 people dont play FW, they join FW to get KB stats.......and are not interested in winning the war and taking plexs


I dont want him to fight me,but imagen you jump into sistem,four plex is opend,4 frigs on scan,you warp to one and frig inisede cloak,3 more runing timer.You want to prevent that.Warp second plex and even before you land he cloaks,but the guy in first plex decloaks and so on.I dont mind stabed guys,i can allways fit moar scrams but nothing i can do vs cloak that cloaks before i enter plex.....You get me now.All farming alts......

Solutions???

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Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#12 - 2013-02-09 00:00:40 UTC
Sometimes we'll get a few people to gatecamp a pipe that we know farmers are going through. I know it's not pvp but it does discourage farming to some degree.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#13 - 2013-02-09 00:31:12 UTC
praznimrak wrote:

I dont want him to fight me,but imagen you jump into sistem,four plex is opend,4 frigs on scan,you warp to one and frig inisede cloak,3 more runing timer.You want to prevent that.Warp second plex and even before you land he cloaks,but the guy in first plex decloaks and so on.I dont mind stabed guys,i can allways fit moar scrams but nothing i can do vs cloak that cloaks before i enter plex.....You get me now.All farming alts......

Solutions???


Revert all the 4 timers, negaate their income, get your reward and contribute to slide the sov balance in favour of your faction.
How is this a problem. Cloacked ship in plexes do not affect the timer, is the same as they warped away.
Warzone control is about holding points, if you force someone to leave or to cloack they're loosing anyway.

Or is just another stealth "nerf cloack" thread?




subtle turtle
Doozer Mining Cartel
#14 - 2013-02-09 00:31:37 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

As much as i hate people bringing stabbed, cloaky frigs for plexing, if they don't want to fight, they won't fight. And sadly you can't force em to stay and explode.

You can't stop em so deal with it. It was much much much worse. Just go with that. :)


I agree with this. There is no way to force people who do not want to PVP to PVP, nor do I think we should. You can counter this by taking over the plex and running it down yourself. If you aren't willing to run the plex down yourself for your faction, you don't have a lot of room to complain, since you are just shoving that burden of war zone control off on your own side's LP seeking farmers.

Welcome to Eve. The sandbox applies to PVErs and ISK horders just as much as it does PVPers.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#15 - 2013-02-09 00:33:11 UTC
Step 1: Buy Rokh, fit smartbombs
Step 2: Park Rokh on the kehjari gate in martoh.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit
Dan Carter Murray
#16 - 2013-02-09 00:34:41 UTC
it REALLY pisses off the cloaked people in the plex when you stay and time down the timer.

you get lp for doing this.

you **** off the farmer by doing this.

you might get pvp from a "real" pvper when you do this.

win win win situation?

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#17 - 2013-02-09 00:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
praznimrak wrote:
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
praznimrak wrote:
THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz


What is the issue? when the Cloaked tirple stabbed rifter cloaks in the plex.....the timer stops and moves towards your side.....you have just negated him to being pointless.....

Tick down the timer, and take some LP and move the SOV towards your side....

what is the issue?

Oh you wanted him to fight you? ok so........ what if he dscaned, saw you on the gate and warped off? should he not be able to do that?

You can not make someone pvp, there is almost always an option to run, hide or flee, but a hiding ship does no win the SOV war or do anything for WZC



FYI, when my alt in the triple stabbed rifter cloaks in the Plex, my main is running the other plex in the system and is heading that way with eyes on you do remove you from the plex.....though 9/10 the guy leaves the plex and comes to my mains anyways, cuz 9/10 people dont play FW, they join FW to get KB stats.......and are not interested in winning the war and taking plexs


I dont want him to fight me,but imagen you jump into sistem,four plex is opend,4 frigs on scan,you warp to one and frig inisede cloak,3 more runing timer.You want to prevent that.Warp second plex and even before you land he cloaks,but the guy in first plex decloaks and so on.I dont mind stabed guys,i can allways fit moar scrams but nothing i can do vs cloak that cloaks before i enter plex.....You get me now.All farming alts......

Solutions???


Ok so you want to single handedly control a system when you are completely outnumbered (in terms of active accounts)?!

If the player is controlling his main and 3 alts thats a fair bit of work ensuring you don't catch and kill them while he's busy with one of the others.

Sounds like you need a can of liquid concrete mate so you can HTFU!

one tactic you can employ in when you land in a plex with a cloaked alt - fly a tristan with a mwd and a full flight of lights. Set an orbit of 15-20km around the button and deploy your drones. There is a good chance you'll decloak the alt and force him to warp off you maybe even pop him first if the player is not paying attention.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#18 - 2013-02-09 01:18:31 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
it REALLY pisses off the cloaked people in the plex when you stay and time down the timer.

you get lp for doing this.

you **** off the farmer by doing this.

you might get pvp from a "real" pvper when you do this.

win win win situation?


Confirming this works too. I used to force the local farmers out of a plex who lived near Kehjari and the smack I got in local was pretty funny. They eventually would get 3 or 4 people from Hykanima to blob me out and sit inside the plex knowing I couldn't take them. I just laughed knowing they huddled 4 people into a plex for measly rewards.

Only problem with DCM's approach is that it requires far more patience than what most people have. Still though, the content that gets created was hilarious. One such example from the days of Kehjari ;)

[02:59:43] Forrest Stokes > comon wispa
[02:59:56] Forrest Stokes > why you wana kill me
[03:00:09] Deen Wispa > my slicer vs your moa is fair fight
[03:00:28] Forrest Stokes > i know but i dont feel like fighting right now. just want a lil lp for CNR

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#19 - 2013-02-09 06:27:06 UTC
You seem to forget that main idea of FW is not to PVP it is to grind isk, CCP somehow imagine that people who grind isk wants to PVP in plexes.

FW will never work, grind isk it is.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#20 - 2013-02-09 07:52:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Bad Messenger wrote:
You seem to forget that main idea of FW is not to PVP it is to grind isk, CCP somehow imagine that people who grind isk wants to PVP in plexes.

FW will never work, grind isk it is.



it is funny ... when the farming horde was on minnie, galente side nobody was complaining (from frog side). Now when the farmer horde is slowly migrating increasing amount of complaints emerge. And yes system is broken and I have two alts to farm to make isk and capture systems. Twisted
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