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Standing and sovereignty. Just remove it?
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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-02-09 02:34:30 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
But, can you understand my perspective? People like myself, who think such things are actually entertaining and who can maybe do them a little more efficiently than you, have our real-world advantage virtually erased by algorithms and resources dedicated to doing just that, making you and me equal. To me, it's like playing a first-person shooter with a perfect auto-aiming function or playing a chess program that never lets me make a bad move.

An interesting question about this game and generally any game is: Which traits/abilities/capacities does it reward?

i don't care about asperger's the idea is bad

Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
nah not needed
http://raynor.cl/eve/localScan.php
combined with
http://kos.cva-eve.org
done.
i' m not sure who would be able to offer the most reward to a web programmer to do such a thing for their group
a small alliance, or a large alliance with moons and stuff
perhaps one of our highsec experts could tell us

Clever, and it shows that the idea is just removing a tool for the sake of having players do needless work as opposed to solving anything.

ah, casoff is kos :O
Reiisha
#42 - 2013-02-09 03:37:17 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
For all the criticism the OP is taking, EVE did actually "work" completely for quite some time and it didnt stop alliances from having fun at the time. Even without moons.

Now tell everyone just how many people were in null when it was "working" then.


Quite a few, since null was actually by far the most profitable space. There were no level 4 missions, no incursions. Megacyte and zydrine were the moneymakers. Belt rats in hisec were laughable. I bet the ratio of people in hisec and nullsec was a lot high in favour of nullsec at the time...

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2013-02-09 03:47:53 UTC
adopt wrote:
Yes, why don't we remove two things that brings groups of players together...

...in a multi-player game.

Well done Einstein.

Make smaller better.

Or just make bigger worse.

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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-02-09 06:00:28 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
these guys think alliances exist because of the alliance standing ticker, instead of the other way around

adopt wrote:
Yes, why don't we remove two things that brings groups of players together...


Which one is it?


Benny Ohu wrote:
and taking away a functional tool just to make people's gameplay require they have a ****** time doing it the hard way doesn't stop them having blues and doesn't make for entertaining gameplay

Andski wrote:
let's remove everything that trivially inconveniences diplomatically incompetent groups


Are dipolmatic settings a valuable tool? Would taking them out cause players to have a ****** time? Would it ruin EVE for them? Or, is the inconvenience trivial? Or, Andski, are you calling Benny Ohu and his group "diplomatically incompetent"? And, should the game emphasize "diplomatic competence" (whatever that means)?

The fact that so many of you are getting your panties bunched up is clear evidence the automated identify-friend-or-foe function is quite important. Just admit that a good portion of your "friends" couldn't discriminate their anus from their nostril and they need EVE to pin a note to the chest of every other player instructing them whether or not to shoot.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2013-02-09 06:11:25 UTC
Just have no standings, let's turn eve into a not purple shoot it op each day erryday

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-02-09 06:14:36 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
these guys think alliances exist because of the alliance standing ticker, instead of the other way around
Which one is it?

Pre-Exodus sov map that preceded sov and alliances. Alliances were still there. You should always agree with me because I am always right.

Quote:
The fact that so many of you are getting your panties bunched up is clear evidence the automated identify-friend-or-foe function is quite important. Just admit that a good portion of your "friends" couldn't discriminate their anus from their nostril and they need EVE to pin a note to the chest of every other player instructing them whether or not to shoot.
The alliance mechanic is simply CCP internalizing in the client tools and mechanics that already existed outside of game. If we're talking about removing mechanics that protect skillless players, we can start with NPC corps.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#47 - 2013-02-09 06:17:44 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
The alliance mechanic is simply CCP internalizing in the client tools and mechanics that already existed outside of game. If we're talking about removing mechanics that protect skillless players, we can start with NPC corps.

Oooh, burnnnnnnnn like a ship on it's last sliver of structure.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-02-09 06:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Are dipolmatic settings a valuable tool? Would taking them out cause players to have a ****** time? Would it ruin EVE for them? Or, is the inconvenience trivial? Or, Andski, are you calling Benny Ohu and his group "diplomatically incompetent"? And, should the game emphasize "diplomatic competence" (whatever that means)?

The fact that so many of you are getting your panties bunched up is clear evidence the automated identify-friend-or-foe function is quite important. Just admit that a good portion of your "friends" couldn't discriminate their anus from their nostril and they need EVE to pin a note to the chest of every other player instructing them whether or not to shoot.

you're pretty horrible huh

you have no idea what makes good game design

would taking away standings affect the day-to-day operations of a large established group with a diplo core and IT guys (which is the stated goal of the proposed change)? not much.

would it affect a smaller group without IT guys etc? they'd figure something out, but it'd be extra work and they just want to play a damned game not have a second job or having to bring up a spreadsheet every time they see someone in local

should either group have to push turds up a drainpipe with their tongues to play the game? no, it just makes life that bit harder for them for no reason

i don't care if some angry sperg thinks it would be oh so much fun to draw up some more lists, feel the aspergers efficiency superpowers and GET THOSE STUPID AWFUL PVPERS at the same time, I have a game to play and you have a sonic the hedgehog fanfic to write
Rastino
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2013-02-09 09:03:00 UTC
I find it funny when people answer something luZk posted. The only thing you manage to prove is that you are intellectually inferior to an average brick…. Funny how many CFC answered here.
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#50 - 2013-02-09 09:19:22 UTC
But all im asking for is equality. Why is the way YOU play eve more correct than mine?

Why does it cost ISK to wardec somebody yet setting someone blue is free?
CCP please make it cost ISK setting blue based on corp/alliance size, exactly like the wardec system. Also it would be a great ISK sink and we all know you've been looking for those.

This one would even make sence.

http://i.imgur.com/1dl4DM6.jpg
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-02-09 11:16:19 UTC
posting dumb ideas on the forums should kill you ingame

now thats a good idea

hello
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#52 - 2013-02-09 14:10:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
luZk wrote:
But all im asking for is equality. Why is the way YOU play eve more correct than mine?

Why does it cost ISK to wardec somebody yet setting someone blue is free?
CCP please make it cost ISK setting blue based on corp/alliance size, exactly like the wardec system. Also it would be a great ISK sink and we all know you've been looking for those.

This one would even make sence.

Because blue or grey, you can't shoot then in highsec without CONCORD blowing you up. Same if you set them orange or red, you still can't explode them without concord exploding you.

Clearly you're thinking ahead, to a future when CONCORD and other NPCs simply rule everything.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2013-02-09 14:11:39 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
posting dumb ideas on the forums should kill you ingame

now thats a good idea

EVE has consequences.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-02-09 15:06:51 UTC
luZk wrote:
But all im asking for is equality. Why is the way YOU play eve more correct than mine?

Why does it cost ISK to wardec somebody yet setting someone blue is free?
CCP please make it cost ISK setting blue based on corp/alliance size, exactly like the wardec system. Also it would be a great ISK sink and we all know you've been looking for those.

This one would even make sence.

the same way the way michael jordan plays basketball is better than yours

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-02-09 15:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
luZk wrote:
As goes for sovereignty. An alliance should still be able to anchor bridges and jammes as long as they had the only posses anchored in a system.



You mean like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansions_of_Eve_Online#Exodus

You're only 8 1/4 years behind, bud.


The rest of your posts are incoherent rambling that comes off as "waaah I have no friends".


But I'm 99% sure you are just trolling (3 pages, congrats!) so this post is entirely for that 1% off-chance, and those who might actually believe you.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
#56 - 2013-02-09 16:44:41 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Pre-Exodus sov map that preceded sov and alliances. Alliances were still there. You should always agree with me because I am always right.


I like this better than this http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/influence.png
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-02-09 17:12:29 UTC
Rastino wrote:
I find it funny when people answer something luZk posted. The only thing you manage to prove is that you are intellectually inferior to an average brick…. Funny how many CFC answered here.

works for me, posters like luZk are the perfect platforms for me to educate the rest of EVE with
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#58 - 2013-02-09 20:02:50 UTC
RichtPaul wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Pre-Exodus sov map that preceded sov and alliances. Alliances were still there. You should always agree with me because I am always right.


I like this better than this http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/influence.png


Then break up the empires that thousands of people worked together to build through years of effort.

There is literally nothing stopping you except for your laziness and you inability to attract friends.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#59 - 2013-02-09 20:12:40 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
RichtPaul wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Pre-Exodus sov map that preceded sov and alliances. Alliances were still there. You should always agree with me because I am always right.


I like this better than this http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/influence.png


Then break up the empires that thousands of people worked together to build through years of effort.

There is literally nothing stopping you except for your laziness and you inability to attract friends.

I think that guy prefers the old, much larger blobs of the past.

We'll work hard to make this a reality.

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Cavalira
Habemus
#60 - 2013-02-09 21:03:57 UTC
Next thing would be asking for the removal of Ti-di, so the good old lag fest and server crashes to come back.