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acceptable way to "scam" character transfers ?

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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#21 - 2013-02-08 13:47:59 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
The buyer is being mislead and that will hurt business,
especially because CCP forbids chartradescams.
Now try feeling how the buyer feels,
with the added belief that CCP guarantees that chartrades are legit business.

If the buyer asks where the implant clone is, and is told it's in highsec and not null, then it's active misrepresentation. If the buyer fails to ask, the seller really has no obligation to disclose information other than what is required by CCP. There's a big difference between active misrepresentation and unnecessary disclosure.

And yes, let's care about the buyers feelings and open the door right into allowing people to petition for a reverse-sale when they get buyers remorse. That'll end so well for the character trading market...

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-02-08 14:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Read the OP again... the seller lied about the location of the clone with implants.

Cant believe how superficial some of you think.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#23 - 2013-02-08 15:10:03 UTC
Taqis wrote:
heard it from a mate, and just wondering if this is an acceptable practice :

- list a character for sale, mention the hugely expensive HG slave and crystal clones you have ( rule 6 of character transfers : you can mention the implants ). Do NOT mention they are in deep nullsec, in a station whose owner does not accept new corp members or has a corp where you cannot join because you dont speak taiwanese etc. - anyways, somewhere where you cannot ( or it is REALLY difficult and risky to ) take them out anymore.

- jump into the inexpensive clone you have in hisec. Mention the "location the character is in hisec" ( rule 22 of character transfers states you have to mention the location ).

Get a good price considering the clones implants.

This is kinda a douche move, but not a scam...

The scam part would be if you or the corp/alliance owned said stations where expensive clones are, then proceeded to contact the buyer and "sell" him access to get said clones out. Only to deny him or POD him...
Korg Leaf
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-02-08 15:15:04 UTC
GM Lelouch wrote:
Don't do this. Thanks in advance!



Dude.... your lips!
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#25 - 2013-02-08 15:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Korg Leaf wrote:
GM Lelouch wrote:
Don't do this. Thanks in advance!



Dude.... your lips!




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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-02-08 16:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Mai Khumm wrote:
Taqis wrote:
heard it from a mate, and just wondering if this is an acceptable practice :

- list a character for sale, mention the hugely expensive HG slave and crystal clones you have ( rule 6 of character transfers : you can mention the implants ). Do NOT mention they are in deep nullsec, in a station whose owner does not accept new corp members or has a corp where you cannot join because you dont speak taiwanese etc. - anyways, somewhere where you cannot ( or it is REALLY difficult and risky to ) take them out anymore.

- jump into the inexpensive clone you have in hisec. Mention the "location the character is in hisec" ( rule 22 of character transfers states you have to mention the location ).

Get a good price considering the clones implants.

This is kinda a douche move, but not a scam...

The scam part would be if you or the corp/alliance owned said stations where expensive clones are, then proceeded to contact the buyer and "sell" him access to get said clones out. Only to deny him or POD him...


Scam or not, the GM post on page 1 was pretty specific.

GM Lelouch wrote:
Don't do this. Thanks in advance!


CCP has always had very low tolerence for any kind of funny business where character transfers are concerned, and I'd recommend not testing their stance on that. You can't spend scammed isk if you're perma banned.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#27 - 2013-02-08 18:05:16 UTC
As someone said - sounds more like griefing than tears.

Easy enough to fix - add rule 122.7 Character may not have any jump clones.

Don't you just love it when someone tries really hard to ruin it for everyone else?
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-02-08 18:24:05 UTC
GM Lelouch wrote:
Don't do this. Thanks in advance!


/thread
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-02-08 18:35:17 UTC
This seems like a long winded way to mildly inconvenience a random stranger for no particular reason.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-02-08 18:40:32 UTC
Quote:
The sell post must reflect the character correctly, posting that the character you're selling has more skillpoints or ISK than it actually has is a bannable offence. Similarly, a seller must disclose whether jump clones are located in 0.0, lowsec or highsec space.


Apparently not!

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Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-02-08 20:52:35 UTC
This really seems like a lot of work to set up a moderate return - those expensive implants still need to be purchased. The clones still need to be situated.

The only real value to this would possibly be an impressive KM or just some twisted LuLz. Mostly, it's just going to make the seller look like a flaccid reproductive organ.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-02-08 20:55:12 UTC
Subdolus Venator wrote:
This really seems like a lot of work to set up a moderate return - those expensive implants still need to be purchased. The clones still need to be situated.

The only real value to this would possibly be an impressive KM or just some twisted LuLz. Mostly, it's just going to make the seller look like a flaccid reproductive organ.


Well, since the GMs came out and point blank said don't do it, it's mostly going to get the ISK sent back to the buyer, and the seller a shiny ban.

But to each their own, I suppose.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-08 20:56:28 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:

Well, since the GMs came out and point blank said don't do it, it's mostly going to get the ISK sent back to the buyer, and the seller a shiny ban.

Well, this, too.^

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#34 - 2013-02-08 21:17:19 UTC
Andski wrote:
Quote:
The sell post must reflect the character correctly, posting that the character you're selling has more skillpoints or ISK than it actually has is a bannable offence. Similarly, a seller must disclose whether jump clones are located in 0.0, lowsec or highsec space.


Apparently not!


Edited today. Congrats, OP, you made a new rule.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#35 - 2013-02-09 00:16:00 UTC
The isk was spent on the items in question. How is it a scam when you actually paid for them?

You can't get your clone out? Just how bad are you? Shocked

Anyone that keeps high level clones in 0.0 either 1, has something jump capable, or something stealthy in that station, and an alt with eyes available.
Anything less and you deserve what happens to you...





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Ginger Barbarella
#36 - 2013-02-09 00:21:16 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Polly Oxford wrote:
You realise that people have more than one set of implants, right?

Anyway, not really a scam. There's nothing to gain from doing it besides tears. So just ask where the clone is.

The point!
The clone with the implants is in a station in territory
which has a high chance of losing said clone as soon as he undocks!
Furthermore, the buyer didnt actually get what he paid for!
A clone with implants in highsec!

Saying "he didnt ask" is bullshit. The buyer was *mislead*!

The buyer now feels screwed and spreads the word!
Its bad for character trading business as a whole,
especially considering that CCP takes that part of their income pretty seriously...


Wow, you didn't really think before posting, didja?

You should go back to popping pods in Hek and leave the posting to people who know what they're doing... less embarassing for you that way.

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TheAsiaRickJames
My Little Pony Club
#37 - 2013-02-09 06:41:08 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
The isk was spent on the items in question. How is it a scam when you actually paid for them?
You can't get your clone out? Just how bad are you? Shocked
Anyone that keeps high level clones in 0.0 either 1, has something jump capable, or something stealthy in that station, and an alt with eyes available.
Anything less and you deserve what happens to you...


Good one. First, i think that most of the pilots from nullsec alliances do not keep jump capable ships in the nullsec station where their main alliance is located. They might not even be able to fly them. It's not needed; they can buy one, or borrow, or simply undock; WHILE THAT STATION BELONGS TO BLUES would not be a problem. However before the sale the char must be in NPC, so the buyer will not be blue anymore. He will not be able to buy and fit ships, and he will be shot on sight when undocking. Also, even if i had any jump-capable or covert ships there, assets are not sold along with the character, so he will get nothing. He will only have one unarmed, defenseless rookie ship to get the clone out of hostile territory.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-02-09 07:02:12 UTC
Not really a scam, but there is nothing to gain from it anyway. If you want to get someone to rage it might work, but most people probably would find it a minor inconvenience rather than a complete ripoff. If they know what they are doing they could probably get the clone out of there.

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-02-09 07:12:31 UTC
I love how peeps keep discussing this when a GM said "No" and added a Rule to boot. vOv
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-02-09 08:45:28 UTC
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
I love how peeps keep discussing this when a GM said "No" and added a Rule to boot. vOv


CCP keeps handing out reading skillbook but people don't see an in-game benefit so they never train...
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