Skill Discussions

Mihnea Tepes wrote:
system on its own was working, to be honest I can see no reason to change it ...

It really wasn't. As it stands only one of the Industrial ships from each race is actually useful, and that's the best one. So, for Gallente for example, there are three ships that no one aspires to using. Three completely useless ships. By changing the skill tree and by bringing in tierecide all four of the ships will be useful in their own way. The current system is rubbish, that is why they have spent so much time doing tierecide balancing so far.



Although that is a tempting idea, it would mean getting the art department to redesign the appearance of every single Industrial ship, which would be a massive waste of time when they could just do it the way they are intending to do it. Also, you would be getting rid of a ship from each race which would ultimately result in less variation which is bad for everyone. Variation is good for the sandbox.

No. standardizing ships only makes things dull in the long run. In the same way that CCPs standardization of the character creation has made races almost obsolete.

The thing that really annoys me is that I spent a good amount of time training up the mining barge skill for my orca alt which I will never and have never had any need for except for using the orca. I think CCP should reimburse the mining barge skill, if you still want it then you can train it back up with the free SP.

But the point you fail miserably to understand is this is mining barge V. MINING BARGE V! Whenever I see that heresy on my character sheet I want to terminate the character. Dam CCP making me train such a disgraceful skill to get to an orca and then turning on us like this.

You just don't understand do you. *shakes head*

At least BS V has some useful application in the event you need to fly a BS. And seeing as you are a capital pilot you will have all the pre requisite skills to fly a BS if needed. Mining Barge V is a skill that only a character who wanted to mine would train up for, and so absolutely no use for most players who trained for the Orca. So its completely different entirely.

Well then explain what I don't understand then. If you can't be bothered I am just going to presume I was right and your trying to wriggle out of it by pretending you can't be bothered to explain what you were incapable of portraying in your previous posts.

I have to ask, exactly what kind of variety is it that these racial ships provide?

I appreciate the visual distinction of the races, and could certainly live with the fact that CCP just copied the same stats on all the racial versions of these ships. I also believe however, that if CCP focused on InterBus linesof our space-trucks, that it would result in more variety and actual content.

Certainly it would put less of a strain on CCP resources if they could focus on adding 1 version, instead of 4, should they ever decide to look into this side of EVE gameplay in th future. I know I'd be willing, even if it may be hard, to give up my Battle Badger or Space Sandcrawler if it meant CCP would add some InterBus content. I'd rate that higher on the "actual variety" scale than having X number of different racial ships doing the exact same thing.

That argument can be used in many situations. For instance if you bought a car from a dealer for 10k and then a week later they dropped the price to 5k then you would be lying if you say you were happy. So the sunk cost argument is entirely dependent on the situations and cannot be applied in a blanket approach as you seem to be trying.

They're exactly the same. Many capital pilot alts will literally never use other ships. Many fly cap ships exclusively. In the same way, my alt is a maxed out Orca pilot... He also had to train for Mining Barge V, and he uses them a fair amount, which is the situation you are saying is true of capital pilots. Also, you really haven't added anything to your argument, your mostly just re-emphasising what you have already said. Even if what you just said was true, it wouldn't change the fact that your situation hasn't changed, and wont have changed even after the expansion and skill tree change.



Aside from the visual stuff you rightly pointed out, each race has pros and cons. For example the Fenrir is the fastest, which means you can move your stuff quicker and therefore turn over a faster profit. A similar thing applies to the Charon which has a larger cargohold, but the Charon has the lowest tank of the four and therefore is the easiest to suicide gank. The Providence has a relatively low cargohold compared to the others, however it has the largest tank of all of them and therefore is the safest to leave on autopilot. That distinction and variation is important, it adds weight to your decisions, and it adds flavour to the whole experience.