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FTDOV: Minmatar ship design

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-08 03:29:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
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Vikarion
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-08 03:29:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#3 - 2013-02-08 04:06:41 UTC
I'm quite impressed by your assessment, actually.

Katrina Oniseki

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-08 04:21:06 UTC
One small oversight - it was the Minmatar who first deployed interdiction nullifier propulsion subsystems, so extremely soon after the Seyllin Event that it's highly likely that the IN was among the very first generation of prototype subsystems,

Minmatar ships can and do occupy the bleeding edge, especially in the fields of lightweight material science, propulsion and navigation.

It's my fond dream, of course, to one day bring together the best design elements and technologies from both the Caldari and Minmatar schools of ship design. I'm quite convinced that the resulting vessels would be extraordinarily effective.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-02-08 05:22:23 UTC
A fine, clear and detailed analysis of the Republic's ships. If something could be added was, maybe, a small lineup of their strongest and weakest models.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#6 - 2013-02-08 05:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Streya Jormagdnir
Essentially true. There have been more and more Minmatar ships being invented or older ships retrofitted to make use of plentiful missile firepower, which I am very glad for (I prefer missiles). Also, while you state that Minmatar designs are effective between frigate to battlecruiser, do not forget the battleships! A torpedo-fit Typhoon with heavy armor plating and energy neutralizers will do a number on an enemy vessel. The Typhoon is also versatile enough to use remote repair or capacitor transfers as well. I can't comment much on the Tempest and Maelstrom, though I hear the Tempest is referred to as a "battlecruiser that calls itself a battleship" due to its speed and the Maelstrom can boast an amazing rate of shield boost.

With the proliferation of more missile-using ships and the newly-invented ancillary shield booster (which was invented by Core Complexions, a Minmatar research firm) there is surely a high-tech future for Minmatar pilots in the making!

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Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#7 - 2013-02-08 07:24:35 UTC
Good material here.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-02-08 16:29:56 UTC
In addition to the research and development done on the Interdiction Nullifier, Matari technological developments had another interesting result: we would not have had Strategic Cruisers as we know them without the ability to detect the Fullerite gas clouds in Anoikis, which was made possible by existing long-range Ladar scanner technologies.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-02-08 20:54:51 UTC
The Minmatar bought their original shield technology to the Caldari ?
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#10 - 2013-02-08 21:07:50 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
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It's my fond dream, of course, to one day bring together the best design elements and technologies from both the Caldari and Minmatar schools of ship design. I'm quite convinced that the resulting vessels would be extraordinarily effective.


I've been looking over the blueprints of examples of both. I can only concur. Sure, the Stabber is just about four hundred and eighty-nine thousand seven hundred and fifty-three parts (roughly) flying in a close, unstable formation but what it does it does quite well. The Rupture is incredibly adaptable to a staggering number of fits and situations and can often fit utility as well. I've wondered what would happen if we could get the Moa's or Drake's shields on one of those. Maybe Caldari Missile tech, replacing those aging projectile weapons. That's just for starters of course.

In today's political climate it'll never happen of course, but it's a tantalizing prospect.

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-02-09 00:33:02 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
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It's my fond dream, of course, to one day bring together the best design elements and technologies from both the Caldari and Minmatar schools of ship design. I'm quite convinced that the resulting vessels would be extraordinarily effective.


I've been looking over the blueprints of examples of both. I can only concur. Sure, the Stabber is just about four hundred and eighty-nine thousand seven hundred and fifty-three parts (roughly) flying in a close, unstable formation but what it does it does quite well. The Rupture is incredibly adaptable to a staggering number of fits and situations and can often fit utility as well. I've wondered what would happen if we could get the Moa's or Drake's shields on one of those. Maybe Caldari Missile tech, replacing those aging projectile weapons. That's just for starters of course.

In today's political climate it'll never happen of course, but it's a tantalizing prospect.

Actually, I've heard rumblings that engineers are considering removing the Typhoon's turret mounts. But yes, I can just imagine Drake-class shielding coupled to Rupture-class speed and versatility...
Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-02-10 08:12:25 UTC
You also have to look at the type of plating and construction. It's basically a ceramic composite that is being used so it doesn't have as much mass as a straight metallic alloy. So overall armor and main materials that have less mass, thrusters that get a power boost from the reactors since it mostly drives the engines. However, the heat build up is a problem, thus the use of the heat panels that also serve as photon capturing panels. Actually, a lot of the Matari spacer kids in some areas have taken to using old panels from ships. Mostly frigates, and then making little solar sail ships from them. Nothing big or fancy, just a thruster system that is more like an aerosol can in case it's needed, a tiny little compartment welded together from scraps and an environmental system of sorts. They use the upper layer off the panels to make the sails, and some actuators to turn the panels as needed, also they do not have artificial gravity. Wouldn't surprise me if the Zephyr designer got the idea from them in some way.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-03-08 04:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
My apologies for the belated reply here, but this, more in-depth, discussion of Matari ship design from my perspective was prompted by my reply to Vikarion's piece on Amarrian vessels.

As I mentioned in that reply, Matari reactor technology has serious MW/m3 issues compared to the rest of the cluster, leading to the auxiliary power systems and limits on hotel power demand you see on Matari ships. (For the uninitiated, hotel power is used for crew and passenger comfort functions such as food preparation, non-essential lighting, and portable appliances such as say one's shaver, hairdryer, or alarm clock.) Some ships are able to sacrifice the space needed in order to achieve ample power output (the Maelstrom is a good example of this in action), but this is somewhat troublesome for older designs, which rely more on manual crew and thus need more crew spaces.

In contrast, while nanomechanical processors do not have great absolute performance compared to the rest of the cluster, their TFlop/Watt ratio is unsurpassed cluster-wide, and only approached by the very best low-power photonic processors and some highly nonconventional nanoelectrical designs that are occasionally seen in use by the Ammatar as retrofit gear for Matari ships. Neither traditional Amarrian nanoelectrical designs nor any of the quantum processors in original equipment service can come close to the low-power and low-thermal-budget capabilities of nanomechanical processors, which was essential to compensate for the limited power budgets and strained cooling systems of Matari ships. Early units had poor service reliability though; HOWEVER, this has long since been overcome.

Another note is that while Matari superstructures are lightweight, they are typically stiff and strong under normal flying conditions (they are more vulnerable to battle damage, though). This, along with the ready availability of post-deployment support from Matari shipbuilders, helps when post-deployment modifications need to be made, to an extent that the Amarr only approximate (the ship designs lend themselves to extensive modification, but the design and engineering support is simply not there to go with it), and the Caldari and Gallente abhor (I'll talk about this in more detail in my replies to those postings).

Matari armor is indeed mostly ceramic, usually with metallic reinforcements woven into the armor composite in the form of a "mat" in modern plating. This has since become the standard for all Tech Two and Tech Three shipboard armor systems, and is used frequently in Tech One builds as well. The matrix material, of course, varies depending on whose ship you are dealing with.

Another note has to do with crewing. While the Republic Fleet and space-borne Matari paramilitaries have traditionally relied on large crew complements, this is by no means mandatory. Minor mechanical modifications to most Matari ships do allow significant crew complement reductions; further automation is possible as well at the cost of crew space and further hotel power diversion to power auxiliary processing and automation elements. It is a significant integration chore, though, which is what prevents it from being deployed fleet-wide. (I have to do many automation retrofits myself on Matari and Caldari vessels as the nature of Anoikis ops forces me to run with skeleton crews.)
Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#14 - 2013-03-08 20:15:07 UTC
I enjoyed this and your other entry in the series. Please keep up the good work.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#15 - 2013-03-11 01:18:31 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
The Minmatar bought their original shield technology to the Caldari ?


There is plenty of trade between the State and the Republic, just as there is trade between the Empire and the Federation. Their relations are not as cold as their militia propagandists would like to believe. The political map is actually pretty simple to understand.

Open a map of New Eden and pick any nation. Got one? Good. The people across the table from them are their allies. If it's a liberal nation, they neutral to the one on the right and hostile to the one on the left. If it's a conservation nation the they're neutral to the one on the left and hostile to one on the right.

I'm sure a political scientist could see some sort of hidden meaning or pattern buried in there, too.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2013-03-11 19:56:41 UTC
I am not sure to understand your point ?