Wormholes

I just want an opportunity to gank ships that clear ladar sites. Please gift this to w-space CCP.

Ninjaing is too EZ.

I wanna see TENG00S, CARRIERS and other expensive things out in space.

I wouldn't be too convinced of that.

The venture has a ton of advantages when compared to cruisers, starting from being harder to scan down due to smaller signature and the possibility of fitting ECCM to make it even harder, they are also much faster and as such you can orbit the clouds to make getting warpins directly to you much more difficult. On top of that the clouds themselves uncloak everything that tries to sneak up on you on grid and if that's not enough, you'll have a vastly improved alignment speed and as a frigate, getting a lock on you takes more time than it does to lock a cruiser.

And it's not just a little faster, it's the fastest gas harvester in the game when properly trained.

WHAT?? You're not absurdly rich? Away with you, outcast!

A year ago, gas prices were upwards of 150k per unit for 320 and about 70-90k per unit for the 540. I remember one night, using cruisers and old style can mining, with only 3 people online, we had a static that had 4 instrumentals in it, 3 vitals, and had a c2 static that had a high sec in sobaseki. (1 jump to jita) We gassed out all the instrumentals and the vitals ran the gas to jita. Using JUST the profits from the gas, I bought a replacement bhaalgorn and a redeemer fully fit. I still had about a bil left over from this.

Today, if I were to pull off the same feet, I would barely be able to buy the bhaalgorn.

Add to all that the massive ore bay means that the venture doesn't need to make regular drop offs or call for collection. This reduces a hunters opportunity to catch a miner unawares.

You have 2 options now - while the pilot is in system scan the wormhole he came from or scan the ship and pray he is afk.

Kind of misses the point but ok.

A couple things to note.

First, in terms of prices. If you look at C540, the price has fluctuated wildly in the last year. If you did do this about a year ago, you got a luckly spike. 540 gas was down almost as low as it is now last July. So while the venture may be a contributing factor right now in the gas price fall, historically gas goes up and down a ton to begin with.

Which flows into the second point. Gas is a commodity like many other items in EVE. When it is overproduced, prices fall. When prices fall enough, some people will decide its not worth the effort to harvest, which will bring down supply yada yada.

And the last point, which was my main one is still who really cares? So according to your numbers above, at 90,000 isk for C540, a Venture (if it had existed then) would harvest at a rate of about 86 million an hour. While that's nothing to scoff at, it is important to note this is C5 income (as I have never seen a C540 cloud below C5). So to compare that, what kind of per person isk/hr are those cap escalated sleeper sites? I know it has to be good, cause I can easily beat 86 mil/hr running C4 sites alone. Not to mention that after an hour of C4 sties I will probably have maybe 200m3 of loot to haul to market, while an hour of venture harvesting C540 will yield more gas than can fit in a blockade runner.

Yup, though I concentrated on pointing out the things that make the Venture extremely safe to use, even in hostile situations. Unless you can trap it in a bubble, you're pretty much out of lucky catching it entirely. That said, I don't consider this that big of an issue, thanks to the ventures themselves not posing any risk to you either.

not true

with the way you ninja mine you are almost always standing still on the cloud and the rats are at the warp in. so either need to combat them or spend probably 20 minutes avoiding clouds and the sleepers to get close enough to them for tackle if you just scan down the site .. at which point if you don't have 3 points of tackle they just align and warp out :p heck if you are in anything but a bomber they will probably be warped out before you get the cloak no lock timer to wear off :p The ventures are a very purpose built ship, and they do what they were designed to do very well .. best bet ... bubble their return hole then spook them .. gets most gas suckers .... 90% of the time

You should have done as that other poster siad, just wait till the novelty wore out and save any gas you mine yourself, gank the ninjas then when prices rose profit.

But since CCP is now aware you killed a good thing for isk for yourself with reduce risk, not being a smack talker but that wasn't smart.

Funny though, since it will get harder then the easier soft novelty players that you can kill will leave and prices will climb but the risk taker is gonna become more greedy to mine even more, putting isk in their pockets.