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Just get all racial Cruisers to lvl 3 (including whatever frig pre reqs) and you will max benefit from changes to those trees.

There are many more changes. Command ships is one of them. You sort of need to review all the changes to see what changes affect your own skill set / fleet / armada.

I can't understand the rational with making all T1 Industrial ships only require, racial Industrial I (pre-reg Spaceship Command III only). I can kinda understand the removal of the racial Frigate III prereq. But dropping them all down to racial Industrial I as well?

After the patch why would anyone train anything other than Gallente Industrial I and then fly an Iteron V? Aside from the fact that they are prereqs for the T2 Industrials and Freighters and the vets that have already invested in the skills and ships. Any player who trains and gets into any other T1 Industrial now, will do so purely because they haven't understood the changes.

Well props for bringing that up, something I hadn't considered. But how do you balance 12 Industrial ships? There are only 2 stats that matter for them, cargo size and align time. People will max one or the other, not go for a compromise of the two. So two ships will be useful after the patch and the rebalance of them.

Currently skill training time is a huge factor in the choice and thus the viability of each ship.

Last I heard, there were only 3 mining barges and a clear conflicting need to choose between survivability or ore hold, with a viable compromise of the two, but I'm no miner.

There are 12 Industrial ships all filling the same basic need and the only real choices are max cargohold or max GTFO. This is a vital early ship for a new player and shows one of the depth of the game. That research and intelligent selection, rewards in the long run. CCP have just dumbed it all down. Are they going to scrap the current 12 industrials and replace them with 2 or 3 ORE Industrials?

Hey, here's an easy solution for your game-breaking disposable cyno alt:

don't upgrade the clone and you will get rid of SP

Wouldn't surprise me to see an Indy with an Ore hold. Or possibly one allowing for refits.

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What with pirate ships? You have not mention them. You treat them as navy or you don't change their skills requairment?
Almoust All ships have now lower skill requairments, pirate ships are smilar to navy ships with requairments. All navy go lower with requirments, but pirate frigates still need two faction frigat skill at level 3, do you lower this to faction frigats skill at level 2 or 1? smilar question to pirate cruisers, they need two faction frigate at level 4 and two faction cruisers at level 2, do you lower this to faction frigats to level 3 and cruisers no change or to level 1? and the same question to battle ships they need two faction frigate skill level 4, two facion cruiser skill at level 4 and two facion battleship alt level 1, question do you change this to two faction frigate level 3, cruiser level 3 and battleship level 1?

So if i dont have say galente frig/cruiser to 3 do i get the unallocated skill points ? or what?

This may have been asked but us that wasted time training mining barge to fly an Orca will there be any thing done for that. because its 1mil of wasted sp that could be better used.

i agree with the initiative to make the prerequisites of ships more relevant to the ship themselves. I have noticed that this has drastically changed some of the ship training times. I do agree with most of them, but I feel that drop on the ORCA is to great. I would suggest making Leadership 5 a requirement to fly the ship, as you need it to use the mining foreman links. I personally don't see why you'd want to train for one and not use the foreman links.

Either that or remove the mining director prerequisite, and I don't really feel like that't the right solution. I don't really see why you need to train mining director(which gives no boosts on it's own) but not leadership 5, which is needed to make mining director useful.

NOTE: If this has already been posted, count this as support for the motion.

EDIT: To the above post. It to an extent is. They could have chosen not to train it, but they NEEDED to, whether they liked it or not, to fly the ORCA. I personally wouldn't mind it to much, just because you can't mine in an ORCA (would be cool though).