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If I could, I would just fix clone costs so that this is a non-issue.

I can see now where you are comming from. Basicly, when the circumstances for skills change that drasticly it would seem only fair to reset spent skillpoints in some form or another to allow players to fit their chars back to the purpose they intended them to be for. This is also done regularly in other parts of the MMO industry. CCP themselves are encouraging us to build altchars with regular cheap offers for just that purpose (e.g. Start a Sidekick campaign), acknowledging the need for specialised altchars. They go even further and rebuild the whole skill related gameplay to allow for better specialization into any given role (not just for new players, but also for altchars).

Given all that, CCP's reluctance to do a reset does not seem quite understandable. Especially from those of us who played the game so long and/or have those specialised altchars. I give CCP - or in this case CCP Foozie who I am reffering to here - that e.g. battleship 5 is still a usefull skill. That does not change the fact that we might have skilled battleship 5 for quite a different purpose (e.g. a requirement for our capital character). The pretext of a large amount of skills will change with the summer expansion!

I sympathize with you on that, now that I thought about it a bit more deeply and I think the best course of fairness would actually be to reset the whole thing for once.

I do understand that CCP does not have the ressources to handle this on a case by case basis, which is why the only thing left without punishing many, many players is to reset all the skillpoints. Yes, some players might use the chance to respec their character, giving up skills for a playstyle they do not prefer, but did skill before they knew that. But which is better, having happy people with chars they want them for or players looking at all those (due to a change) wasted skillpoints - wasted training time - and asking themselves what to ever do with a given skill?

In the end everyone would still have the same amount of SP than before the reset, so no one looses or gains anything in terms of training time.

I believe that only holds true for edge cases, when a player actually wants less skillpoints on his clone. But in most cases we are talking about skillpoints - and thus training time - for skills that get their pretext changed as a requirement for something. Changing that pretext basicly makes a skill useless for a specific purpose. By just removing these skills, players will be reaped off their payed training time. And loose something. Some might be okay with that, I believe most won't.

1) In this case your best bet is to train your dread skill as much as possible. Once the change happens, you will not be able to train your dread skills any further until you have met the new prerequisites. However, all the bonuses to your dread are going to be based on the dreadnought skill under spaceship command. If you have your dread trained to 5 you can just gellax because you will get a max effective dread w/o those pesky prerequisites. For me, one thing I'll be training is my command ship skill to 5 b/c I don't want to train all of my leardership skills to V.

2) Kind of answered above, but no CCP will not be giving us any of the new prerequisite points. "If you can fly it before you'll be able to fly it after the change". That's what they said. However, since your ship bonuses will be based on the specific spaceship command skill that you have already trained, your ship will be just as effective after the change as it was before. That said, if you want to take it further and continue to train your (I'm guessing) Gallente Dreadnought skill more after the change, you will need to train the prerequisite skills first. tl;dr; no skillpoints will be added to anyone's prerequisite skills.

Now, for a question of my own:

Anyone know WHEN the summer expansion hits? Just planning my day here...

Hay I just thought of a potential problem. If someone doesn't have "Logistics" trained to V they can still train command ships. They can only fly half of them right now, but once this change goes live if someone has command ships at V they are going to actually be able to fly all the command ships w/ max bonuses... amiright? You dig what I'm layin' down there?

For what I can see, there are no ships that will be useable at level 1 of the Capital Ships skill. Would the devs be kind enough to put something there please?

So yes you can fly the ship after without the new prereq and continue to train it

You are correct in your assumption, that if you can fly two command ships now, you will most likely be able to fly all command ships after the change (given you have trained ALL racial cruiser skills to 3).

If that is a problem, remains to be evaluated. Fact is, everytime CCP changes something about skilling or skilltrees, there seems to be a way to game the system to gain either SP or abiities you did not have before. In this case, both.


I stand by my opinion that the course of action with the most fairness involved, is to reset the spent skillpoints without adding additional points to the pool.
I would really appreciate to hear arguments from CCP about their reluctance to do such a thing, especially catering to my 'change of pretext argument'. I know they don't have to argue anything with us, but in my opinion feedback can only be constructive, if being catered to by the receiving end of such feedback.

I have a question - if you're removing unnecessary skills as prerequisites - Industry V for mining barge - since a lot of miner alts just mine, and there's a main who does all the refining and production
and if you want something to replace it with - refining - since at least that can be put towards mining crystals, or maybe mining upgrades... or ice harvesting - just not a productions skill, it's like having controlled bursts (reduction in gun cap usage) as a prereq for a minmatar ship

Yes, and then the CCP employees go on summer break, leaving their customers to deal with whatever untested pile of crap was hoisted on them. What CCP should be saying is that players have ~90 days to get their **** in order before the mega skill changes are implemented.

CCP's cycle of "agile" development > vacation > put out the fires is tiresome.