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Also some information on who you are, where you come from and what you do would be helpful in persuading me to choose you over any of the other candidates who promise to act as nothing more than a telephone between the players and CCP.

What I'm seeing here is a stubborn refusal to elaborate on why anyone should vote for you over any of the other candidates running on 'increased CSM-player interaction'.


"general consultations" is a bit of a step back from "every player can directly vote for every single issue put or to be put forward in the CSM".


May I refer you to the candidacy posts of most of the other CSM candidates in this forum so far? Most of them said exactly the same.


Unfortunately for your campaign, the majority of the community rightfully does see it as a job interview. What can you provide for this community, that means we should employ you as our embassador?


When I asked who you are and what you do, I meant in EVE. I could hardly care less about your IRL qualifications, because this is an internet spaceship game, so I'm interested in how you fly spaceships.


When I asked you to comment on James' platform, I was trying to extract some kind of indication of what you personally would push for with CCP. I don't care if you're interested in roleplay or not. I don't imagine very many people do.

to be fair that's about a million times better than an issler

@Two step



Are we discussing about being a consultant for CCP or somebody to send real feedback to them? A CSM member claiming to speak for players should not only have the votes and limited forum feedback, but to be able to prove that the community is in fact proposing solutions and improvements through him.


That's the whole point. To get the players power and responsibility thus insuring better feedback for CCP. I strongly believe that all the issues can be solved by allowing more players to participate in the process instead of relying of the minds and goodwill of "representatives".

@Robert Harrison
I do not claim to be the inventor or the sole supporter of direct democracy. The question is: are you ready to take responsibility and vote for yourself?

@Kainotomiu Ronuken
You asked the reasons to vote for one candidate or another, thus implying a comparison of some sort. Am I taller, smarter, better looking, better literate or a smother talker? Is this in anyway relevant for the discussion? Am I or am I not is pointles to even try discerning, but I think the asking that questions it helps to determine the roles we play on the election stage.
It seems like a measuring competition, and might be in some cases, but we discuss in a false dichotomy. There should be no split between the candidates and the community, as the real parties are CCP and us.
Maybe some prefer the type of candidate that promise to change EVE and ensure a happy and bug-less gaming for everyone. Maybe others feel they need a better person, in whatever way you can think off, to take split second decisions and provide them a better gaming environment.
I cannot promise to be that person, in fact I am not here to offer you something, but to rock your boat and show that you do not "need" anyone.
CSM is not a almighty decision body that makes or breaks the game in a meeting. It is in fact a slow moving wheel in a mechanism that might or might not be used by CCP.
I am running to put you in charge, to wake you up and give you responsibility.
What am I dping in game? : living in a WH, enjoying the pixels being blown up, visiting null and LS whenever I got the chance. I did my share of living in HS, trying all kind of gameplay, and settled where I am now. however this is easy to see from my ingame profile.

Are you trying to explain to me what the CSM does? I am honestly confused here. Let me repeat myself: Your idea will not work, because even the *questions* that CCP asks the CSM are covered by the NDA. You *cannot* ask players to vote on things, because they cannot know what the things they would be voting on are. Sometimes you cannot even reveal that the CSM was asked a question at all.



If you think this, then why bother having a CSM at all? If CCP decides they can tell everyone everything and ask them to vote on it, why bother flying 7 people to Iceland twice a year? Why bother with the NDA?

He missed the main selling point in this opening. he should have just said "NOT James 315"

That should have at least gotten him some voters

I think you are missing their point.

The point they are making is that at no point will you be allowed to ask for a vote because CCP is going to have you under an NDA, and will require an answer from you about your opinion within a very short period of time. You will not have the opportunity to run a poll to ask what you should say, as you will not be allowed to reveal what you were asked.

Did not changed anything. You all started with the assumption that only what is discussed in CSM meetings counts, and those meetings are the endgame. I consider this assumption false and see CSM more than a focus group.
Also forums are one thing, used by a small part of the player community. My proposal brings the advantage of quantifying and involving larger number of players with a concrete result.

And how is this different from the CCP devs just reading the forums? Why would CCP need a CSM candidate to do this? I mean, it'd be them implementing the technology and everything; Night Beagle himself would be completely obsolete.